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Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - radiyah - 08-12-2004
Quote:May you mushriks look forward to hell for your repulsive beliefs.
La salam.
La Hawala Wala Quota Ila Billah, she is also giving herself the right that we are going to be in hell, only Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala Has the right to decide who is going to hell.
Hasbuna Allah Wa Ni'ma Al-Wakeel.
Brother Qutuz, sister Muslimah I know where from they are bringing their Ideas, she put a name of 1 guy in one of her posts, I put it on search and i found it, he claims that he was able to translate the Quran better than the Arabs, whom he say are hyppocrites, and all those Ideas they are stating here are from his explanation. He claims that when he first read the Quran in English it did not make sense to him so he had to learn arabic, then booooooooom he was able to translate the Quran the word of Allah, this means he claims to be a prophet, one of the things that made me laugh
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, he said that the word <b>ABD</b> does not mean <b>slave</b>, but it means <b>servant</b>, so that means that we are not slaves to Allah, but only servants LOL, how immature, I guess as I told lul before they will create a new arabic language that they are going to teach it for arabs according to their own whims. And all that wrong transiliteration of the Quran she is putting is from that guys site. Honestly they are making fools of themselves. Just imagine begginers teaching experts their language ![[Image: blink.gif]](http://www.islamsms.com/bb/html/emoticons/blink.gif)
, or toddlers teaching old people how to walk ![[Image: ph34r.gif]](http://www.islamsms.com/bb/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif)
. LuL, wake up that guy is nothing but an imposter, his goal is to DESTROY ISLAM, so how to do it, by wearing the cloak of Islam and destorting the duties and orders of Allah(SWT).
And insha'Allah all the Questions imposed by icon will be answered, we are not hasty we do not answer from our own self. The Prophet Mohammad did not answer the mushrikeen or the jews when they used to ask him any question, but he would wait until the answer comes from Allah, because we all are Slaves of Allah and we know nothing, Allah(SWT) teaches us what we know, so before being hasty like u we have to be patient and sure of what we are going to post, because we will be asked for every word or letter we write or speak by Our Creator. So as Muslimah said, be patient and all the answers will come soon.
Peace
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Dan - 08-13-2004
Bismillah
As Salam alaikum
Aoothu billahi mina al-kufr!
Stone idol? Maybe YOU should read the Qur'an and not just regurgitate the ramblings of an insane ignoranmus. Really, please clear your mind of all bias and you will see the Light, Insha'Allah.
Jazaki Allah, Muslimah, for the ayats from surat al-Hajj. I was just reading those the other day. Suhanallah how Allah Provides. I also read from surat al-Baqarah:
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"YUSUFALI: We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do.
PICKTHAL: We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
SHAKIR: Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.
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YUSUFALI: Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,-then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong.
PICKTHAL: And even if thou broughtest unto those who have received the Scripture all kinds of portents, they would not follow thy qiblah, nor canst thou be a follower of their qiblah; nor are some of them followers of the qiblah of others. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then surely wert thou of the evil-doers.
SHAKIR: And even if you bring to those who have been given the Book every sign they would not follow your qiblah, nor can you be a follower of their qiblah, neither are they the followers of each other's qiblah, and if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you shall most surely be among the unjust.
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YUSUFALI: The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know.
PICKTHAL: Those unto whom We gave the Scripture recognise (this revelation) as they recognise their sons. But lo! a party of them knowingly conceal the truth.
SHAKIR: Those whom We have given the Book recognize him as they recognize their sons, and a party of them most surely conceal the truth while they know (it).
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YUSUFALI: The Truth is from thy Lord; so be not at all in doubt.
PICKTHAL: It is the Truth from thy Lord (O Muhammad), so be not thou of those who waver.
SHAKIR: The truth is from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the doubters.
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YUSUFALI: To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; then strive together (as in a race) Towards all that is good. Wheresoever ye are, Allah will bring you Together. For Allah Hath power over all things.
PICKTHAL: And each one hath a goal toward which he turneth; so vie with one another in good works. Wheresoever ye may be, Allah will bring you all together. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: And every one has a direction to which he should turn, therefore hasten to (do) good works; wherever you are, Allah will bring you all together; surely Allah has power over all things.
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YUSUFALI: From whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from the Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
PICKTHAL: And whencesoever thou comest forth (for prayer, O Muhammad) turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship. Lo! it is the Truth from thy Lord. Allah is not unaware of what ye do.
SHAKIR: And from whatsoever place you come forth, turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque; and surely it is the very truth from your Lord, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.
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YUSUFALI: So from whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; and wheresoever ye are, Turn your face thither: that there be no ground of dispute against you among the people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not, but fear Me; and that I may complete My favours on you, and ye May (consent to) be guided;
PICKTHAL: Whencesoever thou comest forth turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship; and wheresoever ye may be (O Muslims) turn your faces toward it (when ye pray) so that men may have no argument against you, save such of them as do injustice - Fear them not, but fear Me! - and so that I may complete My grace upon you, and that ye may be guided.
SHAKIR: And from whatsoever place you come forth, turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque; and wherever you are turn your faces towards it, so that people shall have no accusation against you, except such of them as are unjust; so do not fear them, and fear Me, that I may complete My favor on you and that you may walk on the right course.
I provided multiple translations into English so Insha'Allah the message is clear. These few ayats should be able to show you how far from Islam your statements are. Please, please, please try to open your eyes to the devastating path that you are traveling. I will pray for you. Everyone, make dua for me, Insha'Allah. May Allah Forgive me if I have stated anything wrong. Obviously, all good comes from Allah and is due to His Guidance. Subhanallah. Alhamdulillah. Allahu Akbr. La ilah ilallah wa Muhammadan Rasul-ullah. Astaghfirullah
As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Muslimah - 08-13-2004
Jazakum Allah khairan Dan for complementing the topic with those Ayahs. In all cases we are Insh a Allah investing our time to explain to all, again all members. Who knows may be a silent member who happended to visit their distorted sites would come here and learn the truth, may Allah Makes it in the balance of your good deeds.
For all my brothers and sisters on this thread. I pinned a thread on the issue, included links to this and another thread to add to it Insh a Allah so continue the excellent job Insh a Allah
BTW Radiyah Dan once made a very informative comment on the term Abd in Quran he said he sees it more as devotee on which I agree with him. See an Abd serves and beneifts the master while actually when we are Abd to Allah and only Allah we benefit from His counless bounties and Mercy. I dont want to go off topic. But dont u agree??
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - radiyah - 08-13-2004
Alsalam 'Alaykom
Masha'Allah jazzak Allah khayr brother Dan, Alhamdulilah that Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is our guidance and aid to what he loves and and wants, they do not know that those who are trying to distort or change Islam are ignorant of its greatness, and that nothing or no one can or will change this fact :
Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:
7. And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against Allâh, while he is being invited to Islâm? And Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers) folk.
8. They intend to put out the Light of Allâh (i.e. the religion of Islâm, this Qur'ân, and Prophet Muhammad ) with their mouths. But Allâh will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it).
Subhanaka Rabana Wa Bihamdik La Ilaha Ila Ant, Na'otho Billah Min shoroor anfosina Wa nasstaghfiraka wa natoubo Ilayk.
And about ABD sister Muslimah, yes exactly a devotee who devotes all his life to Allah seeking his contentement.
ABD In Arabic from AL-Monjed Dictionary is:
<b> Ebada wa obodah wa obodiya ma'badan wa ma'badata Allah Wahdahu wa khadama wa khada'a wa thala wa ta'a lahu, yuqal : ma 'abadak anay, ay ma habasak any.
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Which means , ebada = worship,adoration, devotion, To Allah only serving Him only, subdue to Him, degrading to him being obedient complied and surrendering to Him. Also being devoted loyal and pious to Him only.
U say to a person: what enslaved u away from me(Ma abadaka 'any), which means what held u away from me.
ABDU: mulika, howa wa abaoho min gabl, ay ja'alahu aw itakhathahu abdan , thalaluh.
Abdu=slave, Mulika, howa wa aboho= he and his father are in possesion of some1, or being captured by, seized by. Which means that he made him or took him as a slave.
So now we see what the word Abd means from an eloquent arabic dictionary. So if any1 has sense enough to understand will follow those who are native arabic speakers, and not follow those who claim to have learnt arabic and are able to translate it better than the arabs. Like lul who is being so confident of herself by explaining what Khimar is on the Hijab thread, copying it exactly as it is from those devious sects site. We are humans that Allah favoured us from between many of his creations with a brain, we should think and be reasonable and use our minds, and not just follow devious persons and be like a <b>slave</b> to what they say. We are not slaves to Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) or to the scholars, we are merely students learning our relegion from the great teacher Mohammad(PBUH) and those who have more knowledge than we do in the BOOK of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'la.
Oh Allah, we commit ourselves to YOU as slaves, no one is trustworthy of worship but YOU, we subdue to none but YOU, our lives and souls within Your Glorious Hands, no one is Worthy of Worship but YOU, Subhanaka Rabana, The Glourious, The Magnificent, The Great who owns the heavens and the earth, La Ilaha Ila Ant Muhamadan Abdaka Wa Rasoolik.
Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:
5. He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.
6. He created you (all) from a single person (Adam); then made from him his wife [Hawwa' (Eve)]. And He has sent down for you of cattle eight pairs (of the sheep, two, male and female; of the goats, two, male and female; of the oxen, two, male and female; and of the camels, two, male and female). He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation in three veils of darkness, such is Allâh your Lord. His is the kingdom, Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). How then are you turned away?
7. If you disbelieve, then verily, Allâh is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, so He will inform you what you used to do. Verily, He is the All-Knower of that which is in (men's) breasts. 39, Surat Al-Zumar
So how now do they translate the word ABD as only servant, and how do they give the right to themselves to translate the Holy Quran, all the english translations for the Quran are translations of the arabic translations, and the Quran as a Holy Book from Allah can never be translated word by word never, or it will be ditorted. Hasbuna Allah Wa Ni'ma Al-Wakeel, Howa Ni'ma Al-Mawla Wa Ni'ma Al-Naseer.
I pray to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'la, that they will have enough sense and intelect to see the truth, and may Allah enlighten their hearts and visions.
Wasalam A'laykom Wa Rahmat Allah Wa Barakatuh
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Dan - 08-14-2004
Bismillah
As Salam alaikum
I found something of interest that I was encouraged to share. According to "The Oxford" dictionary, iconoclast means a person who attacks cherished beliefs. To me, this sheds more light on the motives of those who deviate from the sunnah of the Prophet as Guided by Allah.
As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Muslimah - 08-14-2004
la hawla wala qowata ila billah, no wonder, Sobhan Allah, u know what Dan only Allah Allowed u to look it up, because all of us were somehow feeling strange about it. But now well Alhamdulelah
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Muslimah - 08-14-2004
Quote: 2. Where can I find Allahu Akbar?
as salam alykom
Taking in consideration that there are non Arabic speakers:
"Allah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that <b>you must magnify Allah </b>[i.e. to say Takbir (Allahu-Akbar; Allah is the Most Great) on seeing the crescent of the months of Ramadan and Shawwal] for having guided you so that you may be grateful to Him." (2:158)
"Thus have We made them subject to you that you may <b>magnify Allah </b>for His Guidance to you" (22:37)
The two underlined parts of the Ayahs in Arabic goes as letukaberu Allah. Tukaber is a command to say Allah u Akbar.
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Lightuponlight - 08-14-2004
Peace,
You guys keep saying "sunna of mUhammad", yet, when asked to go to the Reading and point it out, you guys fail, hence it is an innovation.
As for allahu akbar, can you point out the verse where The God says we must say "Allahu Akbar" in order to magnify Him? If not, then please refrain from misrepresenting him, thanks.
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Dan - 08-15-2004
Bismillah
You ask people to address your questions (which I feel that they have been answered if you would only read them with an open heart) yet you do not answer any of the points that have brought up to you. So you are just as guilty in your claim against us as we are supposedly to you. If you want to follow the paths of the Jews and Christians who change their religion to better suit their needs then that is your choice.
I do not understand how you disobey the Propeht when he tells us to pray as we see him praying, among many other injunctions. If you do not think that this command is not applicable then why believe in the Qur'an at all since if was revealed to the Prophet to give to mankind. If you deny the guidance of Rasul-ullah that he gave us in order to implement the Qur'an, then you are calling him a liar or deceptive. If this is the case then, why do you put any merit in the Qur'an since it came from the Propeht's mouth, not directly to you from Allah?
I am curious to how you even practice Islam? Do you do anything to worship Allah? If so, then how do you know that you are doing it correctly in the manner that pleases Allah? Stop trying to justify the life that you would rather live by changing the religion. Instead try to live the life that Allah would have you live.
Anti-sunnah...wake Up!!!! - Lightuponlight - 08-15-2004
Peace,
Quote:You ask people to address your questions (which I feel that they have been answered if you would only read them with an open heart) yet you do not answer any of the points that have brought up to you. So you are just as guilty in your claim against us as we are supposedly to you. If you want to follow the paths of the Jews and Christians who change their religion to better suit their needs then that is your choice.
Which questions have I not answered?
Quote:I do not understand how you disobey the Propeht when he tells us to pray as we see him praying, among many other injunctions. If you do not think that this command is not applicable then why believe in the Qur'an at all since if was revealed to the Prophet to give to mankind. If you deny the guidance of Rasul-ullah that he gave us in order to implement the Qur'an, then you are calling him a liar or deceptive. If this is the case then, why do you put any merit in the Qur'an since it came from the Propeht's mouth, not directly to you from Allah?
Can you please point out, where, in Al Quran, the prophet said: pray as you see me praying.
Quote:I am curious to how you even practice Islam? Do you do anything to worship Allah? If so, then how do you know that you are doing it correctly in the manner that pleases Allah? Stop trying to justify the life that you would rather live by changing the religion. Instead try to live the life that Allah would have you live.
There is no concept of "worship" in Islam. Worship is for Pagans, and The God never told us to do such a thing.