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Tears Of Finding The Truth, - lifutushi - 09-02-2004


Assalamu'alaykum....


i'm agreed with both of you.... that's why i said we should start a REAL discussion here... not to humiliate anyone, but to get rid of confusion.....



Tears Of Finding The Truth, - radiyah - 09-02-2004



Alsalam 'alaykom


Thanku Josh for your approach, it is really appreciated. And I still think that we can find really highly educated and equipped young scholars on the net, even if this conversation is false. And this thead started a very important point so I hope the discussion about it will continue.


Brother lifutushi why dont u continue what u started on this thread, weather others responded or not [Image: smile.gif]


waslam



Tears Of Finding The Truth, - Dan - 09-02-2004


Bismillah


Intuition did not bring this here with the purpose of decieving anyone. The fallacy of the dialogue was pointed out. Did she continue to try to persuade us that the conversation truly did happen, no? It was just a simple mistake. On the other hand, people who knew better portrayed lies as truth and continued to try to convince everyone that it was true.



Tears Of Finding The Truth, - Dan - 09-03-2004


Bismillah


NOW, we have the same number of posts. I see that you were trying to pull ahead a little bit. [Image: cool.gif]


I don't like urban legends either.



Tears Of Finding The Truth, - lifutushi - 09-03-2004




Quote:Brother lifutushi why dont u continue what u started on this thread, weather others responded or not

if i started posting something from other places, it won't be REAL anymore...


what i mean by REAL is, the discussion whould be among us... that way, nobody would say that it was a fake.....



Tears Of Finding The Truth, - Peace in Ireland - 09-03-2004

Oh snap.


Tears Of Finding The Truth, - Muslimah - 09-03-2004


as salam alykom


I still encourage a real discussion here. [Image: smile.gif] while I do agree with Dan, the article could be a nice way of presenting info. I read this article long time ago before, and I had the same feeling that it was developed as an inspiring peace. Insh a Allah no harm. John the article could be as u described if it brought false info but it didnt.



Tears Of Finding The Truth, - Muslimah - 09-03-2004

as salam alykom Radiyah I tried looking for the hadeeth couldnt find it [Image: sad.gif] will continue looking Insh a Allah sorry [Image: sad.gif]


Tears Of Finding The Truth, - Qutuz - 09-04-2004


i found the Hadith sister


it was a hard task as the hadith is not in Bukhari or Muslim


Narrated by Al Hakim, and according to him it has a sahih chain of narration, from the hadith of Abi Tha'labah Al Kashani, who said,


"When the Messenger of Allah (saw) would return from a battle or travel, he would first come to the masjid and pray two rakat, then he (saw) would go to his daughter Fatima (ra), then he (saw) would go to his wives (ra). So after he (saw) returned, he left the masjid and was met by his daughter Fatima (ra) at the door of his (saw) home, and she began kissing his (saw) mouth while her eyes cried, so he (saw) said to her, "My daughter, what makes you cry?" She (ra) replied, "O Messenger of Allah (saw), it is because I see you all ruffled and exhausted, and your clothing is well worn out!" He (saw) said, "<b>Do not cry, for Allah Azza wa Jall, has sent your father with a matter (Islam) that not one house made of madar (mud, clay, or stone) or sha'ar (animal skin) will be left on the face of the Earth, except Allah will enter them into it</b>, with honour or disgrace, until it reaches where the night has reached."


and from http://www.khilafah.com/home/lographics/ca...D=1481&TagID=24 there is interesting information on the same Hadith


Secondly: The


hadith regarding the entering of Islam into every home on the face of the Earth


It was


narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad, from Tameem Al-Daari, who said that he heard


the Prophet (saw) say: “Verily, this matter (Islam) will reach where day and night have reached,


and it will not leave a house of Madar (mud or clay) or a house of Wabar (fur of


camels and goats, i.e. tents) except Allah will bring it into this Deen,


(either) with the honour of an honoured one, or the disgrace of a disgraced one;


honour with which Allah honours Islam, and disgrace with which Allah disgraces


Kufr.” Al-Haithami said: This was narrated by


Ahmad and Al-Tabarani, and the men of the narration of Ahmad are the men of


authentic Ahadith.


This hadith was also narrated by Al-Haakim in Al-Mustadrik,


who declared it Sahih (authentic) according to the conditions of the two Shaykhs


(Bukhari and Muslim). Al- Haakim’s Al-Mustadrik is a work of Sahih Ahadith


that met the conditions of both Bukhari and Muslim with regards to Ahadith. The


Ahadith in discussion, was, however, omitted from both of their works.


It was also narrated by Al-Haakim in Al-Mustadrik, on


the authority of Al-Miqdad b. Al-Aswad Al-Kindi (ra), who said that he heard the


Messenger of Allah (saw) say: “There


will not be one house on the face of the earth, made of either Madar or Wabar


(meaning all homes), except Allah will bring the word of Islam upon them,


(either) with the honour of an honoured one, or the disgrace of a disgraced one;


Where Allah will honour them and make them of its people, or He will disgrace


them and they will not submit to it.” Al-Haakim declared this hadith to be


Sahih according to the conditions of the two Shaykhs.


This


hadith was also narrated by Al-Baihaqi in his book: “Al-Sunan Al-Kubrah.” In


this narration, however, the end of it reads: “…or


He will disgrace them and they will submit to its authority.”


This


hadith by Al-Miqdad was also narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad, as well as Al-Tabarani


in his book “Al-Kabeer.” Al-Haythami said that the men of the


narration of Al-Tabarani are the men of authentic Ahadith. It was also narrated


by Ibn Habban in his book of authentic Ahadith.


It was also narrated by Al-Haakim, from the Hadith of Abi


Tha’labah Al-Khashni, who said: “When the Messenger of Allah (saw) would


return from a battle or travel, he would first come to the mosque and pray two


Rakahs, then he (saw) would go to his daughter Fatimah (ra), then he (saw) would


go to his wives (ra). So after he (saw) returned, he left the mosque and was met


by his daughter Fatimah (ra) at the door of his (saw) home, and she began


kissing his mouth while her eyes cried, so he (saw) said to her: ‘My daughter, what makes you cry?’ She replied: ‘Oh, Messenger


of Allah, it is because I see you all ruffled and exhausted, and your clothing


are all worn out!’ He said: ‘Do not


cry, for Allah, Azza Wa Jall, has sent your father with a matter that not one


house made of Madar or Sha’ar (fur, i.e. tents), will be left on the face of


the earth, except Allah will enter them into it, with honour or disgrace, until


it reaches where night has reached.’” According


to Al-Haakim, this hadith has a


Sahih chain of narration, and it was not narrated by the two Shaykhs.


This hadith by Abi Tha’labah was also narrated by


Al-Tabarani in ‘Musnad Al-Shamiyeen.’


Alsalamu Aalykum



Tears Of Finding The Truth, - radiyah - 09-04-2004




Quote:<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1865" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Brother lifutushi why dont u continue what u started on this thread, weather others responded or not

if i started posting something from other places, it won't be REAL anymore...


what i mean by REAL is, the discussion whould be among us... that way, nobody would say that it was a fake.....

</div></blockquote>

Oh brother we must fortify our subjects, and i said times before when we post something we have to make sure it is correct and fortify it with proof, and even then if it did not turn correct, no problem we will apologize for the mistake and not insist on it. And do we care about what others have to say, we are making ijtihad brother and jihad at the same time, by being patient to all the attacks and mockery we get [Image: smile.gif], and according to what our beloved Prophet said(SAW) that the one who makes a correct ijtehad has 2 remunerations and if he made a mistake he will get one. So it all depends on our intentions brother, and Alhamdulilah we are all here insha'Allah to serve Allah and only He knows of our hearts and intentions, so don't give up [Image: biggrin.gif]




Quote: as salam alykom Radiyah I tried looking for the hadeeth couldnt find it sad.gif will continue looking Insh a Allah sorry

Well here we have our brother Qutuz he found it Jazzah Allah khayr. Masha'Allah brother JAzzak Allah khayr for this effort and may it be added to the balance of your benefactions insha'Allah [Image: smile.gif]