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Time to decide... - Muslimah - 02-11-2006
Bismillah
as salam alykom
Allah Say:
"And they belied them (those Signs) wrongfully and arrogantly, though their ownselves were convinced thereof. So see what was the end of the Mufsidun (disbelievers, disobedient to Allah, evil-doers, liars.)" (Quran 27:14)
Time to decide... - Dan - 02-12-2006
Bismillah
"Ok the difference to me is Allah is a creation from the mind of Mohammed. Initially constructed for i belive possible innocent reasons which then as the message was ignored, turned into a major all seeing god like general of an army, led by Mohammed. Allah is a creation."
Allah was not "created" by the Messenger of Allah. The proper name of "Allah" existed before Muhammad was born. The eternal message that The Creator has been sending throughout time has improved as mankind was able to understand it. If what you are saying is true then all the prophets were inventing their own religions (despite the commonality between them all).
If one is truly understanding Islam and learning, then one sees that they more the learn, the less they "know." A mufti from Mauritania taught students most of his life, yet at the peak of his learning and knowledge he declared that he could no longer accept pupils because he was unfit to teach. You have never recieved any type of knowledge from a scholar, yet you make declarations against the faith which people of vaster amounts of information reject, scholars who spend thier entire lives dedicated to learning. This is like me arguing with mathmeticians while I have a degree in English. I may have some level of intelligence. I may be able to learn more about math. Yet I will never come close to the level of knowledge possessed by these men who have dedicated thier lives to this field. If Islam was really that important for you to understand, then you could have attended one of the many free Islamic universities overseas which are epicenters of Islamic knowledge. I understand that you went around your local community but that would be like me going to the best mathematician in some small Pacific Island looking for answers. If that guy did not have the information, I would just give up searching? How badly did I really want the answer?
The collectors of hadith searched all over the known world for information trying to just gather the pieces of the puzzle. Once these pieces had been gathered, it allowed scholars to put those pieces together. You have a couple pieces of that puzzle and believe that you know the whole picture.
This has all been said before (maybe in different words). People on this board who have more knowledge have offered to help you understand, yet you reject their assistance. I think that you do not want to understand because life is so much "easier" now. I mean, you are doing whatever you want without that "fear" that you say we muslims are so inflicted with. Or maybe you are just too arrogant with the tiny bit of learning you have done that you believe that you know all you need to know.
I do not like to speak for people on the board but I feel pretty safe to say that we all love Allah more than we fear Him. Our parents have punishments for misconduct. Does that mean we fear our parents more than we love them? (not in healthy relationships)
I felt I had to post because Mohsie laid it all out for you and you still ignored it. You still insist that you are right. I just find that so odd.
Time to decide... - Muslimah - 02-13-2006
Quote:Bismillah
I do not like to speak for people on the board but I feel pretty safe to say that we all love Allah more than we fear Him. Our parents have punishments for misconduct. Does that mean we fear our parents more than we love them? (not in healthy relationships)
I felt I had to post because Mohsie laid it all out for you and you still ignored it. You still insist that you are right. I just find that so odd.
Bismillah
Jazakum Allah khairan Dan, I concur
Time to decide... - Kal - 09-18-2006
Quote:Asalamalaikum
I think we should be patient with our Muslim Brothers and Sisters who go astray. There is a sin you committ against Allah and there is a sin you committ against Allahs creatures. Allah can forgive them solong they seek his forgiveness but we should never ever let them go or think of them lowly. As our brother Khalid yaseen said in his lecture called "from the root to the froot" he said: We must search for our treasure in the trash.
I have really cried when he said that because it's really truly. Especially when he said this part: To our young Muslims who are in the streets: We hate what you do in the streets, we hate who you with in the streets, but we love you. We can never hate the shahada. Insha'Allah amongst you there is an abu tha'r and Khalid ibn Walid. No matter how low you start there is always a way up!!
That was a lecture for the youth of islam.
I always used to try not to go near those who don't practise their Islam. I used to do that because of the immorality they were involved in made me think that I should guard my own self from their Evil not because I thought of them lowly or because I feared that they would rub their sins on me. But I think differently now. After I have listened to that lecture It made me want to be near those who go astray. And thats what I will do from now on.
Believe it or not nobody likes to be in darkness. Nobody likes to turn against Allah. But do you know what I know? I know that many people who went astray do want to come back to this beautiful deen, but many muslims like you and I are stopping them. Because we have become intolerant and we judge. We look down upon our Brothers and Sisters in Islam. If we see a Sister in the Mosque who is praying with clothes that are see through, instead of trying to help her. we BadMouth, we slander her. We also think that we should only worry about ourselves and thats it.
How can we except Allah to accept our Salat, the quraan we recite everyday, and all good deeds we do, IF We can't even want the beauty of Imaan for our fellow muslims. Even if they are engaged in the lowest of the low. Like Our brother Khalid Yasiin said WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR OUR TREAUSRE IN THE TRASH
Polish your Brother and Sister in Islam up, help them become the person you think you are.
Mashallah ^_^