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What we actually believe - Dan - 03-29-2007
Bismillah
"What exactly did Josef Ratzinger do as a "Hitler Youth" that bothers you?"
Being just a member of the KKK would be a big deal here.
I find it interesting that the noneuropean community is growing and could use leadership that relates to their situations yet the church decided to continue the white European rule. Ultimately though, its your church and I don't really care all that much.
"His past service to Germany & that infamous speech on faith & reason have been sensationalized by the media. Don't buy into it, bro!"
Sensationalized by the media huh?
What we actually believe - Faith Hope Charity - 03-29-2007
In the Name of God - Father Son Holy Spirit.
Salam Dan!
Quote:Being just a member of the KKK would be a big deal here.
He never volunteered to serve in the military - it was compulsory. Besides, his role was administrative (paperwork, office duties, etc). He's innocent of all Nazi crimes, & even if he did commit sins, the Sacrament of Reconciliation is always available :)
Quote:I find it interesting that the noneuropean community is growing and could use leadership that relates to their situations yet the church decided to continue the white European rule. Ultimately though, its your church and I don't really care all that much.
Like I said, Cardinal Ratzinger was the right man for the job. The Church is Universal. The Pope doesn't get elected based on his birthplace/location.
Quote:Sensationalized by the media huh?
I'll even go one step further & say that's an understatement :lol:
God bless.
What we actually believe - Dan - 03-30-2007
Bismillah
"The Pope doesn't get elected based on his birthplace/location."
ELECTED BY MEN to speak for God... just move on from THAT...
It is just a coincidence that nonEuropeans are not qualified to be popes... at least that's what history is showing so far.
"Sensationalized by the media huh?"
Was pointing out that maybe muslims already know what that's like
What we actually believe - Faith Hope Charity - 04-02-2007
All for the greater glory of God!
May the peace of Christ be with you, Dan!
Quote:ELECTED BY MEN to speak for God... just move on from THAT...
It's actually God who speaks through the Pope... but anyways...
Quote:It is just a coincidence that nonEuropeans are not qualified to be popes... at least that's what history is showing so far.
Every Cardinal is qualified. They elect a Pope amongst themselves. It's not like a ballot vote. The bishops sit together & openly decide - it has to be unanimous.
Quote:Was pointing out that maybe muslims already know what that's like
Yep! I thought so :) At least that's one thing we have in common :P
God bless.
What we actually believe - wel_mel_2 - 04-02-2007
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
Quote:It's actually God who speaks through the Pope... but anyways...
So it was God who <b>apologized</b> for using a quotation in his speech that has offended Muslims? It was God who said:
Quote:“<b>I’m sorry </b> if I gave <b>the wrong impression</b> about what Muhammad has done for the world. I was just quoting the old emperor. But <b>upon further reflection</b>, I <b>was reminded </b> of the mighty civilizations that Islam has spawned, and I marveled at their profound contribution to humanity.”
If God truly speaks through the Pope, then he would never apologize, give wrong impression, do further reflection, be reminded, etc… all this prove that the Pope is nothing but human being who speak of himself and never talk on behalf of God Almighty.
Salam
Wael.
What we actually believe - Faith Hope Charity - 04-02-2007
All for the greater glory of God!
Peace be with you!
Quote:So it was God who <b>apologized</b> for using a quotation in his speech that has offended Muslims?
Nope!
God only speaks through the Pope when he's infallibly defining dogma & binding the universal Church.
At all other times, the Pope's just a regular person like you & I :)
He's not divine! It's only when he authoritatively teaches <i>ex-cathedra</i> that he's protected from error.
I hope that makes sense.
God bless.
What we actually believe - wel_mel_2 - 04-02-2007
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
Quote:I hope that makes sense.
Not at all.
Do you know how many persons are involved in authorising ANYTHING including letters, speeches of the Popes, etc...? John Paul II was guided either by the former secretary of state who resigned recently, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, or by the Vatican's press secretary, Joaquin Navarro Valls, who served 22 years before retiring earlier this year. are you telling me that these people were also protected from errors when guiding their Pope?
Salam
Wael.
What we actually believe - Faith Hope Charity - 04-02-2007
All for the glory of God!
Peace Wael!
Quote:Do you know how many persons are involved in authorising ANYTHING including letters, speeches of the Popes, etc...? John Paul II was guided either by the former secretary of state who resigned recently, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, or by the Vatican's press secretary, Joaquin Navarro Valls, who served 22 years before retiring earlier this year. are you telling me that these people were also protected from errors when guiding their Pope?
Letters, speeches, encyclicals etc, aren't necessarily infallible. They can contain/reiterate infallible statements though. There's also a difference between 'solemn pronouncements' & 'ordinary teachings' of the Church.
It's a little tricky to get your head around it, but if you're interested in learning more, I'm happy to provide some handy links :)
The Church hasn't/can't err in matters pertaining to faith & morals. For 2000 years our dogmas have remained the same. Don't ever underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit.
God bless.
What we actually believe - wel_mel_2 - 04-03-2007
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
Quote:All for the glory of God!
Peace Wael!
Letters, speeches, encyclicals etc, aren't necessarily infallible. They can contain/reiterate infallible statements though. There's also a difference between 'solemn pronouncements' & 'ordinary teachings' of the Church.
It's a little tricky to get your head around it, but if you're interested in learning more, I'm happy to provide some handy links :)
The Church hasn't/can't err in matters pertaining to faith & morals. For 2000 years our dogmas have remained the same. Don't ever underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit.
God bless.
No need to go back 2000 years to point out the errors of the Catholic Church, just study the history of Pope Pius IX who was also declared <b>INFALLIBLE</b> in August 1870 and yet he was the most hated man during his time. At his funeral, the Romans tried to throw his body into the Tiber River. We may wonder why!.
Here are some of his quotations: <b>you don’t need to reply this post FHC</b>, just think if this man was really infallible or not.
Quote:The Church is not a true and perfect society, entirely free- nor is she endowed with proper and perpetual rights of her own, conferred upon her by her Divine Founder; but it appertains to the civil power to define what are the rights of the Church, and the limits within which she may exercise those rights. --Allocution "Singulari quadam," Dec. 9, 1854
Quote:The Church has not the power of defining dogmatically that the religion of the Catholic Church is the only true religion. -- Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851.
Quote:The doctrine that Christ has raised marriage to the dignity of a sacrament cannot be at all tolerated. -- Apostolic Letter "Ad Apostolicae," Aug. 22, 1851.
Quote:In the dark ages the Church began to establish diriment impediments, not by her own right, but by using a power borrowed from the State. -- Apostolic Letter "Ad Apostolicae," Aug. 22, 1851.
Quote:Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. -- Encyclical "Noscitis," Dec. 8, 1849.
Salam
Wael.