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Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - wel_mel_2 - 03-17-2007


Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


One more thought just came to my mind while I was in the bathroom moments ago thinking about you. :D :D :D


The decision of entering paradise is belongs to God alone, although God shows us the way to attain salivation but this doesn’t mean that we are granted paradise. However, <b>we should treat people of other faiths with kindness and love as long as they are treating us the same way.</b>


just wanted to share with you my bathroom thoughts :D :D :D :D


Salam


Wael.



Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - reepicheep - 03-17-2007


> God loves only the believers among Christians.


So, then, God does not love the unbelievers among Christians. Correct?


Would you agree with the following statement:


<b><i>Surely Allah does not love the Christian unbelievers.</i></b>



Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - Faith Hope Charity - 03-18-2007


In the Name of the All-Loving Father Son Holy Spirit - One True God now & forever. Amen.


May the unconditional love, abundance of grace & everlasting peace of Our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ be with you.


I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm eavesdropping on your fascinating conversation. It's so refreshing to be on the sideline for a change.


Wael, you poor thing, you're copping punches from us infidels, left, right & center. May Allah comfort you & reward you big time!


Reep, I'm your biggest fan at the moment! Fancy that... I'm learning more about Islam from you than anyone else. I admire the fact that you totally dismiss Wael's endless attempts at belittling Christianity & the Holy Bible & just focus solely on the Quran. I should do the same from now on.


Keep up the good work, boys! I'll just be sitting here contemplating whether or not I'm one of those "special Christians" that has won Allah's favour by being the best "Muslim" I can be under the circumstances.


God bless you both.



Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - wel_mel_2 - 03-18-2007


Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.




Quote:> God loves only the believers among Christians.


So, then, God does not love the unbelievers among Christians. Correct?


Would you agree with the following statement:


<b><i>Surely Allah does not love the Christian unbelievers.</i></b>

I think I've already spoken about the characteristics of Christians and Jews whom Allah love, and also I informed you about those whom He does not love... I recommended you to re read this thread once again, I am not going to repeat what I've said earlier. good luck insh a Allah.


As for you FHC I recommended you to read my post#10 to learn about the <i>conditional love of God </i> in your Bible. And please do not try to mock anyone here even if you don’t agree with their views. Thanks.


Plus, don’t please keep saying that you’ve come here to learn about Islam, I think you don't really know what is the meaning of "learning", each and every reply of yours prove that you've come here to disprove anything we are saying regarding our religion, yes you may learn Islam from Reep, that would be great if you guys learn from each other in private.


Salam


Wael.



Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - abdulwalee - 03-19-2007


Quote:Abdulwalee, I want to understand what you and Wel_Mel_2 are posting, but your posts do not seem to be logically consistent.


Let's start over. According to Surah 3:32, "Allah does not love the unbelievers."


My first two questions:


Q1: Does Allah love unbelievers?


Q2: Are Christians unbelievers?


I'll post my next questions once I see the answers to these first two questions.


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Abdulwalee wrote:


> whats behind that user name anyway?


Have you seen the recent Narnia movie "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe"? The next movie in the series is going to be "Prince Caspian". In "Prince Caspian", the character Reepicheep (a valiant, fearless, and honourable mouse) will be introduced. He will appear as a major character in most of the subsequent movies (assuming more than two movies are made).
Fantasy Uh! now i understand why you're having a tought time understanding....This issue is real it could mean your life in misery and or your eternal place in Hell Or If Allah wills your place in Paradise.... the answers to your questions are NO and YES

Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - abdulwalee - 03-19-2007

[boy My head hurts....reading this post. it's not dawah, Debating the texts of the qur'an is futile with people who dont even understand the concepts of Tawheed(Monothesim) I sincerly believe it's a waste of time. Start with Tawheed and if they except that they may start to understand the spech of the one who created them.....


Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - Faith Hope Charity - 03-19-2007


Glory to God, peace on earth, good will to all.




Quote:As for you FHC I recommended you to read my post#10 to learn about the <i>conditional love of God </i> in your Bible.

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll have a think about it :P




Quote:And please do not try to mock anyone here even if you don’t agree with their views. Thanks.

If you're referring to my contemplation... believe it or not I was being dead set serious!!!




Quote:Plus, don’t please keep saying that you’ve come here to learn about Islam, I think you don't really know what is the meaning of "learning", each and every reply of yours prove that you've come here to disprove anything we are saying regarding our religion

I'll be honest. At first I joined this forum to learn more about Islam & interact with Muslims because that's what takes place on Catholic forums - we discuss Catholicism & non-Catholics interact with Catholics. I never expected so much bible-bashing & Christian criticism to occur here, so I guess you could say there's been a slight change of plans for me. If someone was spreading lies about Islam, I have no doubt you'd come to its defence just like I am with Christianity.




Quote:yes you may learn Islam from Reep, that would be great if you guys learn from each other in private.

Please don't be upset, Wael. For the first time in ages, Reep has given me something to think about. That's what forum discussions are for. I'm not after textbook answers, I want you guys to use your minds & help me use mine. It's not a contest between Muslims & non-Muslims. It's a philosophical exercise to expand our knowledge & reasoning. Please don't take anything personally.


Peace & blessings!



Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - Faith Hope Charity - 03-19-2007


Glory be to the Father & to the Son & to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, & ever shall be, world without end. Amen.




Quote:[boy My head hurts....reading this post. it's not dawah, Debating the texts of the qur'an is futile with people who dont even understand the concepts of Tawheed(Monothesim) I sincerly believe it's a waste of time. Start with Tawheed and if they except that they may start to understand the spech of the one who created them.....

It's not a waste of time, believe me! It's good to jawbone about this stuff. Please don't stop.


Most Islamic scholars are correct in acknowledging that Christians are monotheists. Please read the final paragraph of post #1: <i>http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=4080</i> The impression I get (& Wael confirms this in that same thread) is that Muslims are confused about the Most Holy Trinity - Three Divine Persons subsisting in the One True God. Which is totally fine but my one request is that Muslims be humble enough to admit that they don't understand this truth rather than pretend to know what Christians believe & falsely accuse us of polytheism. I guess both sides need to be more open to learning. Just a suggestion :)


Thanks & God bless.


<i>Faith Hope Charity Openness Tolerance Equality</i>



Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - Muslimah - 03-19-2007


Bismillah


salam all


Sorry to just come in like that, FHC, why do u want to make the threads look like a fight, what punches are u talking about that u infidels are giving Wael?


And if u r learning from reepi about Islam, then why bother both of u for being here. U can simply ask him to teach u what islam is thu email. This is your choice to learn from reepi.


And by the way, I dont think that any one of us Muslims will be reluctant to agree that Quran openly called those who claim Jesus as their god infidels and Allah Does not love those who take associate with him.


Just try to regain your own attitude dont get painted with others. For a change, I guess this was the motive that made wael tell u at the beginning you are the most respectful Christian he met. I m not putting words in his mouth.


But if u want to learn math, dont attend physics classes.



Guidelines on interactions with Non-Muslims - Muslimah - 03-19-2007


Bismillah


I think the whole aim of this thread is to introduce the rules governing the interrelation between Muslims and non Muslims, whether or not Allah Loves non Muslim is not the core of interest here.


The following two Ayahs sums up a lot:


Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.


9.


It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrong-doers


Quran 60: 8-9


If u dont fight me or drive me out of my place, I have to deal with u jutly and kindly as commanded by Allah, otherwise I m not allowed to take you as a friend.


Period.