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Changes in the Bible - SisterJennifer - 06-06-2003
Peace to you too,
If you are assuming I know nothing of Christainity, you are mistaken.
I don't claim to know everything, but I was in Catholic education for 12 years, followed by an extensive Bible study which I enthusiastically taught my children, also sending them to be educated at my old school. We were active members of the Church. I am telling you this because it's not just a matter of websites you chose to visit but the choice of life you wish to lead that brings a person to Islam.
It depends on your goal.
I don't know about what book of Whispers was deleted, but I have seen many like this and unfortunately they are easily found at any bookstore in America. There are radicals in evey religion apparently! The book I posted was not a book of opinion but a book of a factual account of the Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) life. I do not like a person not knowing BOTH sides of an issue to present only ONE to me and think I should join it. I've been there I have done that. If he really wants to do Christian outreach he will never get any thinking minds to follow because he chooses to keep himself ill-informed.
You keep saying the Quran says this and the Quran says that, but I don't believe either one of you has even read it.
And like you, I do not mean to be offensive, I would just like to state my opinion.
Salaam
Changes in the Bible - amai - 06-06-2003
there are many christians who have studied islam objectively too, but remained Christians.
you say you've been in a Catholic education for 12 years. but well, i don't think Roman Catholicism fully tells the truth. they have so many doctrines without the backing up of scriptures. they say that Mary was "coronated as queen of heaven and earth" when there's no such verse in the Bible, and many others.
catholicism is in some way similar to the [i:294724a13c]real[/i:294724a13c] Christianity, but they still have their differences.
but out of my curiousity, what made you turn to islam?
Changes in the Bible - SisterJennifer - 06-06-2003
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So you can try to pounce on it or becuase you wish to learn?btw: That's the whole thing about Christianity isn't it? A couple billion people who are poorly united, all wanting to be on top of the other. It's crumblimg from within, and they keep changing their song to try to keep up with the dance. Why? Because Christianity itself is corrputed. They get further and further from the wholesome love and fear of God that even founded a nation. A Christian friend of mine was telling me the other day that they are now coming out with a 'female Bible' where God (or Allah) is referred to as SHE. And you wonder if the Bible has been corrputed! :? Do you know the story of the woman they wanted stoned to death for adultry does not even EXSIST in some versions of the Bible? There are others as well, but actually that story shows a good example of Jesus justly following the law of Moses, which is in many ways similiar to Sharia law.
I can answer more tomorrow insha Allah, and also you can PM my husband, Brother Todd, as he was obviously part of this too.
Changes in the Bible - amai - 06-06-2003
Quote:So you can try to pounce on it or becuase you wish to learn?[/quote:7e0ab5b268]depends actually. *whistlewhistle*
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there are different versions of the Bible, few parts missing, but that can be double checked. we are certain that the Bible(some versions) is not corrupt, because of the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls and other manuscripts(thousands of them). the scholars were even amazed by the near accuracy of the translation.
another question that i wish to be answered. [i:7e0ab5b268]why do you think that Quran is not corrupt?[/i:7e0ab5b268] i'm not trying to disprove Islam here, i'm just really wondering why you think that way.
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sadly, there are hypocrites who call themselves Christians. they aren't real believers, just pretenders. the people around me are mostly Catholics, but very few know for sure that God exists.
but real Christians aren't like that.
and besides, it's not the so-called Christians we're offering you: it's [b:7e0ab5b268]Christ.[/b:7e0ab5b268]
for example, do you think I'm right when I say: "I don't want to be a Muslim! Just look at those deluded fools who bomb themselves thinking they're doing it for Allah. i mean, seriously! i wouldn't want to partake in such stupidity."
sounds nice, eh? is it fair for the part of Allah? no.
the same goes for Christianity. it'll not be fair for Jesus to be rejected, just because of prejudice.
i was honestly expecting that the reason why you left Christianity is because there's some really contradictory teaching that you couldn't simply understand. oh well.
hey, visit this http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/hypocrisy.html
don't worry, it isn't an anti-islam article. it's an amusing(for me) article saying that the competent so-called Christians shouldn't stop you from discovering Christianity.
Changes in the Bible - SisterJennifer - 06-06-2003
No you don't understand. I believe in Jesus so you don't need to offer him to me. I don't care what the Christians are doing, and I don't really care what this version or that version of the Bible says either.
I have the Quran. I have learned about the life of the Prophet Muhammad. And Thank God for it, because all my questions have been answered. Islam completes the cycle. Anything you want to know is clear in the Quran.
The Quran has never been changed. This is why has not been corrupted. The author is not a man but someone superior- Allah, or God if you wish.
I am thankful for the miricle of the Quran. You don't need to post arguments for my benefit. I am not interested, really.
As I said before, coming to Islam is like a natural progression. If you are religiously knowledgable and sincerly seeking the truth, you will eventually end up at Islam. This is why it is the fastest growing religion. It is not being spread by the sword, but by people coming on their own free will.
-Jennifer
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Changes in the Bible - Whisper - 06-06-2003
I must say you Sister you are mistaken, once again.
In the USA, Canada and Europe, where the birth rate is lower, Islam is not the fastest growing religion.
Muslim's claim that their growth rate is 235 percent and 47 percent for Christianity. This statistic came from the Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and represents 235 percent increase over 50 years. Muslims always leave off the 50 year fact to make it appear they are going 235% every year. A simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion. Christianity has always been larger than Islam. These statistics from Readers Digest are over 20 years old. Further, I do not consider readers digest to be an authority on such matters. Why will Muslims not quote real authoritative statistics from certified research groups who show Islam is not the fastest growing religion in 3/4’s of the worlds countries.
Are you joking?
The average Muslims doesn't hold an objective view of the Qur'an and therefore knows no better, most Muslim scholars however (those who have escaped death threats)
know the Qur'an is a dud.
You see, Sister, you are a convert and so you are no more knowledgeable than the average Muslim in regard to Islam, otherwise you wouldn't be a Muslim, that's how it works.
To say that there is one Qur'an just shows the lack of knowledge you hold.
There are at least 20 versions of the Qur'an available.
It is interesting to note that in scholarly Muslim journals, there is beginning to be a grudging acknowledgment of the fact that there are variant and conflicting readings on the text of the Quran.
I can prove to you that there are 20 versions.
It is a well known fact among Scholars, those who are Muslims,(those who have escaped death threats)
Christian Scholars and non-religious Scholars.
I have the proof.
Do you want to see it?
To say that the Qur'an has never been changed is absolute
RUBBISH!
Changes in the Bible - SisterJennifer - 06-06-2003
I am only sharing my personal experiance with you, as you asked for it.
I don't believe you even encompass "Christian values" which is supposed to be love your neighbor as yourself and goodwill toward men. You display the exact opposite. Why should anyone take you seriously? The only thing you want to do is look for invalid excuses to attack everything unlike yourself. Why take this extremist attitude?
Islam IS the fastest growing religion, yes right here in America as well. Sorry but those are the facts. I guess the truth can be painful. We are the second largest religious group and growing.
I don't really care if you want to be a Christian, but be a good one.
Sorry you are always so angry. You do realize that anger comes from Satan?
Do not make baseless assumptions on what I know. You do not know how I spend my time. Maybe you are trying to make yourself fell better. The principal of the Catholic school I attended was very straight forward with me when we left, and confessed to me that it is painful to see their members leave. He also wished me luck and happiness in the future. The point is that if we all follow what we are taught, their is no reason for anger. I don't know of any religion that preaches it, although there may be those who chose to let it take them over rendering them inefective.
-Jennifer
Changes in the Bible - Whisper - 06-06-2003
LOL - Come On, why are you dancing around my posts?
You didn't make any effort to disprove what I have said.
Ditch the sob story Sister and ditch the innocent act.
LOL - Make an effort, for the sake of Islam.
Next....................
Changes in the Bible - Purgetory - 06-06-2003
Quote:The average Muslims doesn't hold an objective view of the Qur'an and therefore knows no better, most Muslim scholars however (those who have escaped death threats) know the Qur'an is a dud.[/quote:44ec7a0760]</div></blockquote>
uh-hu. and do you know that it is expected from an average muslim to read the Qoran from cover to cover in Ramadan every year? I believe thats enough to tell you that we do know more about the Qoran than you, sir.
Anyway, can you prove your point. it is realy useless to make judgments without giveing a proof to your judgment. heck man, satanists can call you evil and call themselves angels. but what they cant do is prove their claims. something you didnt do here.
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="276" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To say that there is one Qur'an just shows the lack of knowledge you hold. I can prove to you that there are 20 versions.
It is a well known fact among Scholars, those who are Muslims,(those who have escaped death threats)
Christian Scholars and non-religious Scholars.
I have the proof.
Do you want to see it?
There are at least 20 versions of the Qur'an available.[/quote:44ec7a0760]
why are you asking? ofcourse we want your proof. give us proof. i'm kinda depressed here and need a little laugh.
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="276" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To say that the Qur'an has never been changed is absolute RUBBISH![/quote:44ec7a0760]
well lets compare how we preserve our Holy Book and how you do. The bible to the Christians is just like any other bed time story. Do you treat it any differently than the other books you have? if so, in what way?
In Islam, we have schools that teach children and adults to memorise the Qoran by heart from cover to cover. I can see how someone can remove a whole page from the Bible and no one will notice. But how can you remove a letter from the Qoran when it has been engraved in our heads?
To say you can change whats in the mental world of over a billion people around the globe, IS whats rubbish!
I have been in several discussions with Christians in the board and outside. There is one thing which I find similar between all. You all have sources which if you only second them or make sure you check their authenticity before believeing them, you would realise that they are lieing in your face. The other thing is, you give judgments too quickly without explaining or proving you judgment. Just like a parrot. He repeats what he says, yet knows not what he talks about.
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Changes in the Bible - Whisper - 06-07-2003
I decided to start a new topic for this.