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Living amongst the Kuffaar - SisterJennifer - 01-31-2004

I'm really sorry to see this. We talk about uniting the Ummah and we can't even have unity on a forum. If we cannot have patience and dignity with one another, if we can't even speak to one another without using demeaning tones, can we really say we want to unite? The best mind is an open mind.

And fine if you don't like something that a fellow brother or sister has said, you are entitled to that, but let's not forget that we are brothers and sisters and NO ONE here is superior to anyone else. For anyone of us to question the deen of another is just appalling.

May Allah have mercy on us, put humility into our hearts, and forgive us all. Ameen.

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:)Eid Mubarak to all of you! [Image: smile.gif]

Living amongst the Kuffaar - SisterJennifer - 01-31-2004

The majority of immigrant Muslims living in America that I have met have told us that they can practice Islam better in America than they were able in their home countries. If one cannot practice Islam properly, they are supposed to move away to a place where they are able to do that. I am not saying America is better than any Muslim majority country, I am saying only that there is good and bad to be found in all countries.

Islam is a way of life which is based on logic. We are now living in a time in which the Ummah is not on top of the world as it once was. We live in a time where the people in position of leadership globally are functioning on greed. To make a sound statement on this topic, should we not consider the current state of the world? If for example. a Muslim migrates to a non-Muslim land to escape persecution until such a time arrives that the condition of his original land allows his return what is the problem with that?

Also, living in the west, I sincerly appreciate those Muslims that are here working in outreach. We have many who set a fine example, and many who have brought non-Muslims to Islam may Allah reward them all.

And before we are quick to just automatically dismiss a non-believer and assume they are destined to the hellfire, only Allah knows this. A real kaffir is someone who knows the truth and then rejects it. Many, if not most of the non-Muslim people living in the west have not yet been exposed to the truth. They believe that Islam is what the media tells them it is. If you were a person whos only knowledge about Islam was what you heard from the media, I wonder if you would like to be a Muslim.

I heard that one of the highest forms of jihad is to be a Muslim in a non-Muslim society. The reason is becuase we have the responsibility of setting the standard for a non-Muslim population. And think, if we can do that, things may become totallly different. May Allah guide us and keep our hearts firm on the path to Jennah. Ameen

~Jennifer

Living amongst the Kuffaar - UmmHabibah - 01-31-2004

Assalam aliekum

Eid Mubarak Jennifer and to all Muslims [Image: smile.gif]

Islam is a very easy religion to understand. When we want to discuss a subject of importance, for example something that relates to aqueeda, then we bring daleel. We don't speak our own opinions.

And then there are subjects which don't affect our aqueeda or the foundations of Islam. These we could give a little leaway. Things which the ulema may speak of without too much explanation, as they are not of so much importance. We can all respect one anothers understanding or opinion in these issues. As its really not that important.

But matters of imense importance such as this one (which is part of al wala wa bara) we cannot. We must give daleel.

And i agree we should try to have patience. But we should also try to have a bit of knowledge, as this is fard upon all Muslims male and female. And you are wrong to say that no muslim is superior to another. A muslim can be superior to another muslim in good deeds as the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wasallam said in a sahih hadith. We can also differ in knowledge and this is why we must bring daleel. Otherwise there will be mayhem, which will result in everyone talking in ignorance.

I didn't see anyone defending our brother Abu Dujanah when sister Muslimah in another thread accused him of having a sinister motive for coming here. Wasn't that also questioning his faith ?? So why did no one find that so appalling as you said? Because sister muslimah suggests things by inuendo prehaps? Could there be any worst form of speech than this? SubhanAllah.

At least Abu Dujanah says it straight, rightly or wrongly. And i'm not suggesting that we shouldn't have adab because we should. But cmon lets not be selective here [Image: rolleyes.gif]

It insults one's intelligence.

And Inshallah as you said, we should try to think good of one another. And we should also, try to understand the religion to which we adhere to.

And we are from all different nationalities and personalities and sometimes we will clash, this is unavoidable. But it doesn't mean that we are enemies. We are all one ummah Alhamduillah. And its very difficult to discuss something from behind a pc, its so easy to have misunderstandings. So yes we should have a bit of sabr.

And ive said this before, if everyone was to bring a proof for what he/she says on a subject which is part of aqueeda, then so many of the misunderstandings could be avoided. And this doesn't mean that we can't speak unless we can quote an ayat or hadith. No, otherwise we would never learn, but we do have to understand that there is no place for personal opinions in matters of aqueeda. And we shouldn't be arrogant and keep insisting on something which has no basis. Otherwise how will we benefit.

Wa AllahAlim.

Eid Mubarak and may Allah subhana wa tala accept our good deeds and forgive our shortcomings. Ameen

Living amongst the Kuffaar - UmmHabibah - 01-31-2004

Assalam aleikum Jennifer

I just noticed your second post.

The fact that we are not strong does not mean that it is acceptable to live in the land of kufr. Islam still applies. Jihad still applies. So please produce daleel to state that hijra is not fard upon every muslims who can make hijra. And that living in the west is acceptable.

Quote:And before we are quick to just automatically dismiss a non-believer and assume they are destined to the hellfire, only Allah knows this. A real kaffir is someone who knows the truth and then rejects it. Many, if not most of the non-Muslim people living in the west have not yet been exposed to the truth.

Ya Allah ukhti, what kind of statement is this? Are you suggesting that the kuffar in todays Islamaphobic craze, have not heard of Allah subahana wa tala. There could be a few, but very little.

Quote:I heard that one of the highest forms of jihad is to be a Muslim in a non-Muslim society.

Please produce your daleel.

With respect sister you are just rephrasing what has already been said.

salam

Living amongst the Kuffaar - Abu Dujanah - 01-31-2004

Quote:Originally posted by SisterJennifer 

And before we are quick to just automatically dismiss a non-believer and assume they are destined to the hellfire, only Allah knows this.

Are you suggesting that a kaffir well enter paradise?

We know the kuffar will enter the fire, to abide there forever, we know this becuase Allah and His Rasool has promised the fire for the the Kuffar/Mushirkeen.

We also know the likes of Firawn etc willl enter the fire becuase Allah has clearly said so.

So i ask you to explain your above statement, please elobrate.

Living amongst the Kuffaar - SisterJennifer - 01-31-2004

Quote:Originally posted by Abu Dujanah So i ask you to explain your above statement, please elobrate.

Are you suggesting that the kuffar in todays Islamaphobic craze, have not heard of Allah subahana wa tala. There could be a few, but very little. 

I posted these two comments together as they seem to be the same idea, and insha Allah I will better explain what I mean.

If umm you read the second part of the statement I made it should be obvious that there is a difference between 'hearing about Allah' as you said, and being exposed to the TRUTH as I mentioned. This is not the same thing. We cannot equate Islamophobia and the truth as being identical.

We are judged according to our knowledge. There may be a Kaffir out there who sincerly worships to the best of his or her knowledge. If this person is not ever exposed to ISLAM how will he or she be judged based on Islamic principals? For many in the west, the only knowledge they have about Islam is some seriously distorted message that even you yourself would reject.

To go a bit deeper, if that very same person went about SEEKING Islam and was therefore exposed to the true reachings of Islam and then rejects it, this is another matter entirely. Exactly like Pharoah, who was fully aware of the truth and rejected it.

As for the daleel you asked for sister, I know it was in one of the kids text books from the Islamic school. Insha Allah I will locate the source for you and let you know.

I believe that like all things in Islam, this matter is really just common sense. As you said Umm our religion is not hard to understand.

Jazak Allah Khairn,

~Jennifer

PS- I just want to add something for thought. I don't believe in my heart that there is anyone on this board who gives presidence to non-Muslims. We all have different strengths and weaknesses and we should insha Allah let them compliment each other without harboring any feelings of suspicion, annimosity, or arrogancy. These are diseases and may Allah protect us from them. Let's keep our intentions only for our Creator and make all our deeds to serve His cause.

Living amongst the Kuffaar - UmmHabibah - 01-31-2004

Assalam aleikum Jennifer

Quote: If umm you read the second part of the statement I made it should be obvious that there is a difference between 'hearing about Allah' as you said, and being exposed to the TRUTH as I mentioned. This is not the same thing. We cannot equate Islamophobia and the truth as being identical.We are judged according to our knowledge. There may be a Kaffir out there who sincerly worships to the best of his or her knowledge. If this person is not ever exposed to ISLAM how will he or she be judged based on Islamic principals? For many in the west, the only knowledge they have about Islam is some seriously distorted message that even you yourself would reject.

Sister the above comment is without basis. We cannot just come to conclusions with our own intellect. Well not if we want to adhere to Islam. I think the fatwa below answers this issue Inshallah.

And regarding the attitude of the moderaters towards the non muslims on the site, well we will just have to agree to disagree on that one [Image: smile.gif]

Question :

Can a non-muslim enter paradise, for example, a Christian who believes in God (believing Jesus is a prophet) and his prophets, excluding Mohammad ?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

The answer to this question is presumably quite clear to all Muslims, because it is one of the obvious matters of ‘aqeedah (belief).

In answer to this question, it is sufficient to quote one aayah and one hadeeth.

The aayah is (interpretation of the meaning): "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

The hadeeth is: "By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Reported by Muslim, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Saheeh, 153).

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Living amongst the Kuffaar - Abu Dujanah - 02-01-2004

Quote:Originally posted by SisterJennifer We are judged according to our knowledge. There may be a Kaffir out there who sincerly worships to the best of his or her knowledge. If this person is not ever exposed to ISLAM how will he or she be judged based on Islamic principals? For many in the west, the only knowledge they have about Islam is some seriously distorted message that even you yourself would reject.

Some people, who live in jungles, far away rural areas, and so on, some people - in very exceptional cases - do not hear of Islaam, these people are called "Ahl al-Fatrah", and the Messenger sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam informed us that on the day of Judgement, they will be asked to go into hellfire by Allah, and those who obey, will go to al-Jannah, and those who disobey will go to hellfire.

The person is only from Ahl al-Fatrah if he never heard of Islaam and never died on Shirk.

But to say that most of the west dont know about Islaam, is

And those who never heard of Islaam but commited Shirk will be in the hell fire.

Allah doesnt forgive Shirk.

Living amongst the Kuffaar - Muslimah - 02-01-2004

as salam alykom Ummhabiba

You watch your words when addressing the kuffar and are not so careful when discussing Islam. You tend to speak from your emotions and this conclusion i have come to, from observing your reactions. And some are very good at diverting from the subject. Which is a big problem amongst sisters generally.

jazaki Allah khairan for bringing this to my attention, i might as well just take it in consideration.

Muslimah in another thread accused him of having a sinister motive for coming here. Wasn't that also questioning his faith ?? So why did no one find that so appalling as you said? Because sister muslimah suggests things by inuendo prehaps? Could there be any worst form of speech than this? SubhanAllah.

Alhamdulelah, I dont think i ever dare to question anybody's faith, if what u r referring to is on the board, I think the brother must have taken it wrongly. and I also prefer not to explain myself. But we must not jump into conclusions about what others say.

Living amongst the Kuffaar - Ahmed Abdullah - 02-01-2004

Asalaamu alikum wa rhamatuallahi wa barakatuh my Dear Brothers and Sisters.

Eid Mubarak to all of you.

Abu Dujanah and UmmHabibah in what countries do you live? I am not here to argue with anyone.

I am fully aware about living among the kuffar. We must not take their ways of life while we live in such a society. We must look, act and be different than the non-belivers. We must set a good example as a Muslim to show the mercy, compasion and the wonderful Deen of Islam. Dawa'a is very important to a Muslim. It is our duty to Allah (SWT) to spread the word of Islam. We will be asked this question on the day of judgement, What did you do with your Deen? So we should all pack our bags and leave the west? There is not one country in the world that is a perfect place to live. In erery country Dawa'a needs to be spread amongst the non-believers and the Muslims as well. Our Ummah is in a very sad state, and it is only going to get worse as our Prophet (SAW) has said. So please Brothers and Sisters we must keep this in mind as Sister Jennifer has said. "We all have different strengths and weaknesses and we should insha Allah let them compliment each other without harboring any feelings of suspicion, annimosity, or arrogancy. These are diseases and may Allah protect us from them. Let's keep our intentions only for our Creator and make all our deeds to serve His cause". Ameen.