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"Enemies of Allah" - Muslimah - 02-23-2004
as salam a`alaman itaba`alhoda
I received this reply on a pm from a member, I wonder why she did not post it herself which I thought I must post it here. Yet I also think I must make more search on this point specially.
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Salaamu ALaykum sister,
I think you telling Michelle we cannot be friends with non-muslims is uncalled for and is confusing for her. We can be friends with non-muslims but allegiance is with the muslims Yes in terms of religion you consult muslims. But friendship is more than that . You know your place, but exchanging gifts and talking and being kind to each other that is friendship and that is allowed in Islaam. so I think, be careful in use of friendship. It is allowed but allegiance is always with Muslims and Islaam who are on the right path.
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Allah u a`alem
"Enemies of Allah" - hefny - 02-23-2004
To answer the question can Muslim be a friend of non-Muslim?
The preliminary answer is yes with conditions:
1. If we will try to introduce them to Islam
2. We should not attend any of there un Islamic traditions
3. If we will show our acts as a good Muslim with proud
4. If this relation is needed for better Muslim community
5. If we will not copy their attitude
6. If they are not fighting or helping against Islam directly or indirectly
7. If we think their relation can get others to Islam
8. if our friendship will make them better for the community in general
This my opinion if I am right this from Allah
I will try to confirm that with one of my scholars
"Enemies of Allah" - Muslimah - 02-23-2004
Jazakum Allah khairan katheeran for this hefny
Insh aAllah we will do more search on the topic
"Enemies of Allah" - hefny - 02-23-2004
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b>Jazakum Allah khairan katheeran for this hefny</b>ameen ameen ameen
Insh aAllah we will do more search on the topic
Muslim men can marry non-Muslim women with the intention of my explained points & this can clear my opinion
Other thing that all of the world Muslim & non Muslim is originally from one family & the mercy of Allah is for all nation
Therefore our relation is part of Allah mercy & rewarded from Allah
In Islam there are rights for non-Muslims neighbors & relatives with all respect & kindness
"Enemies of Allah" - Muslimah - 02-24-2004
as salam alykom
i made more research with some knowledgable people. However, will wait on the results because Radiyah came back and Insh aAllah going to inquire through a scholar.
"Enemies of Allah" - radiyah - 02-26-2004
Hello Michelle how are u and how is your mother doing, is she ok, let us know.
I asked our scholar about your question and it is exactly like Muslimah said, we do not love them like we love our brothers and sisters in Islam, the reason that they made partners with Allah and he is one, and God does not forgive those who do not beleive in his onnes, so we do not love, yes we are to deal with them in ordinary life, learn from them teach them, but never love them, and when I asked him what about those who marry christians and jews, he said they are not to marry them if there are muslim girls, they marry them only on necissity, and they should marry only the virtous women, and that he must be sure that she will raise his children in a well mannered way and under his observation otherwise he is not allowed to marry her, not like what is hapening now, and the reason for that is to keep the islamic society a clean society that is raised on high morals of Quran and sunnah of prophet Mohammad(pbuh), but still if we do not love does not mean we hate, we do not hate any1, on the contrary we wish that every1 is saved, and that all are beleivers, but that is the will of Allah, who are we to want or not. We are not ordered to kill people michelle if they do not become muslims, yes we go for jihad not for ourselves but for Allah, we call for islam, and once we rule and take over, islam is not compulsry, each is free to stay on his own beleivs even athiests. But we are ordered all our lives to call for Islam and high morals, till the day we day and accept any humilation or mocking from any1 and all that for Allah Almighty. I hope you are satesfied, and I am sorry if it does not please u, this is an order from our lord and we do not bring anything from ourselves.
take care all
If I am right it is from Allah, if wrong my ignorance and mistake.
"Enemies of Allah" - Muslimah - 10-20-2004
I came accross this thread by chance was looking for something here, Michelle where r u? hope u r fine and your mother is ok? we didnt see u for such a loooonggg time. Hope to see u soon
"Enemies of Allah" - NewBeginning - 10-24-2004
Well this thread just left me feeling like every Muslim "friend" I have is being fake with me? So then are they really not my friend, but only humoring me by being nice and civil?
I'm sorry by the way my post may come across to some people here.... but if you were in my shoes..... how would you feel? Wouldn't you be a bit sad to know that people you thought were your friends..... really aren't?
"Enemies of Allah" - umm Zachariah - 10-24-2004
Salam Shaunee,
If you have come to the conclusion that your Muslim friends are 'humoring' you I do think you should reconsider.
Friends can be in different 'levels' just like when you say I love you it means love but in different ways, for example I love Allah, SWT in one way (truly in a very special deep way) and I love my family in another way and my neighbours and friends in another way still. You can put love or friendship on a 'rating scale' but it is still love and friendship. It is not possible to love everyone in exactly the same way, but you have feelings enough anyway to cover them all.
I have friends that I have known for 25 to 30 years that has known me as a non-Muslim and as a Muslimah. I still care for them and their children but I cannot talk with them about everything, since they don't share my faith. I cannot sit down and discuss what is most important in my life with them. So we share something else besides faith, and that bit is much less today. It is the same for my friends too, we still care about each other, but it is in another level.
Besides I do believe that being nice and civil and showing respect and tolerance is a very good way forward in this troublesome world where much of this seems to have been lost? That is why it is nice to have discussions also here on the forum with people like you, that seems to appreciate these qualities. To me that is very positive. So please continue to post and share your views.
Salam
"Enemies of Allah" - Muslimah - 10-24-2004
Sobhan Allah Umm Zachria did explain Mash a Allah excellent explanation to u Shaunee. But let me tell u this. u r complaining because they are being nice and civil. Did u want them to be harsh and imposing? did u want them to be forcing their faith on u or else not communicate with u? Sobhan Allah. Shaunee in our attitutde towards non Muslims we copy the Messenger. He dealt with them, he even traded with them, visited their ill, and so forth, but just as Umm Zachria said and just as the post contained we have boundaries. U will not give the advice a Muslim must here, not because u r not sincere, no because u dont know what is correct Islamicly. Isnt this true Shaunee.
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