Quote:i'm tired of this... the same thing over and over again....
1. killing children is not part of defending a land. by the way, palestinians is the right owner of the land occupied by Israel (read history book). the same goes to Iraqis, they fought on their land, unlike the invaders who killed civilian to fulfill their own greed( it's not their land, to begin with). materialistics? if life really should be preserved, is it worthy to let the whole nation suffer? sacrificing own's life is self optional. okay, you do not come from a country that only managed to get freedom from colonials several decades ago, so you might not understand. for a short note, for us, to love life so much (like you do) is the actual materialism.


I was against the invasion of Iraq. Read the history books long ago. Third, I agree with the people of Palestine and don't agree with a lot of what the Jews are doing.



2. a simple example, Ben Laden is among those who tried to go against Saddam. but unfortunately, US backed Saddam firmly (again, read history). you see, in Iraq's case, the civilian always the victims. the story goes like this: US supported and armed Saddam to invade Iran --> Iraqis suffer<-- Saddam turned his back to US by invading Kuwait --> US attacked Iraq --> Iraqis suffer <-- Saddam lost the war-->US pressed Iraq's economy very hard (oil for food exchange) --> Iraqis suffer <-- US invaded Iraq -->Iraqis suffer<-- US got Saddam, but they refused to depart from Iraq, killing more civilians day to day -->Iraqis suffer<--


now, who should be blamed? you blame Muslim world for not cleaning the poison that you created?


I know my history and like you can select a few pieces of history for you. You'll just ignore them, but hey, there's 3 sides to every story right? Yours, mine, and the truth.



I am impressed though at how you leave out the reason Iraq was supported by the US to invade Iran. I also like how you fail to mention that since Iran was such a moral country and Iraq led by a "bad Muslim" none of your "brother" nations of Islam joined in with Iran to help beat the bad Muslim and his US supporter.


3. are we talking about Islam or Taliban here? i don't recall anybody in this forum ever said that Taliban represents Islam. okay, another story:


US support and armed Taliban to fight the soviet --> Afghans suffer <-- Taliban turned their back towards US --> US use political opression against Afghanistan --> Afghans suffer <-- US attacked Afghanistan -->Afghans suffer<--


again, innocent civilians were killed by the product of US.


Always the US's fault for your Muslim suffering. It's never the Taliban's fault, Saddams fault, or any other Muslims fault and that is just my point. I'm not saying the US is without fault in policy or actions, but they're not always wrong and its not always completely their fault!!!! Your more holy than thou attitude is to be admired. Its never the fault of the people who fly planes into buildings, take school children hostage, or blow up a bus. Sure you say it's not right that these things happen becasue they are a reaction to what the US is doing. Well  maybe the US is reacting to what is happening to them!!!



4. then what's your problem?


Actually I didn't write that and I didn't respond to it so you'd have to ask the person who wrote it.



5. then they will face their destiny in hereafter.


6. yeah, have a pity on those zionists. poor them... (not funny!!!) they killed our brothers!! they raped our sisters!! then we should have pity on them? that's the most ridiculous and stupid suggestion i've ever heard.


Do you have any idea of what mocking someone means? I agree with you on this. I was disagreeing with your fellow Muslim brother it just went over your head that I was disagreeing with him by mocking him. I'll try to keep it more simplistic.



7. yeah, so much freedom.... now, about about a better freedom? since you hate Islam that much, why don't we give you some chances to refute Al-Qur'an, the main sources of Islam (which your fellow Islam haters here had failed to do) IF YOU ARE TRUE?


remember, we're talking about Islam, not Saddam and not Taliban.

Quote: Peace to all.....
I just have to say, I'm very suprised at how calm everyone is here at some very offensive posts. I don't think I would be able to handle these things so well.


God Bless.

Quote:If you want to force your beliefs on others by killing them then don't complain when others force their views on you. Its a two way street and you're going to have to accept it.

Quote:About 50 million people lost their lives in WW2! The Soviet Union alone lost 20 million in what they call "The Great Patriotic War". The Nazis executed about 12 million civilians, including 6 million Jews. Poland suffered more than any other country, losing an unbelievable 18% of its pre-war population, almost 7 million. Chinese dead totalled over 11 million, Japanese 2 million, and German 5 million. About 300,000 Americans died in the war.

Quote: Peace to all.....
I just have to say, I'm very suprised at how calm everyone is here at some very offensive posts. I don't think I would be able to handle these things so well. sad.gif


God Bless. rolleyes.gif

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Video of beheading.


I wouldn't be feeling to proud to be a Muslim right now. If this is what makes a Muslim a Muslim, if this is what you consider justice, if you this is what your beliefs tell you is right then you're nothing but a sick individual with a lot of sick friends.


George W. Bush will get re-elected. He can't serve another term after that. He invaded Iraq in his first term. He's probably only just begun. The funny think is that you and George W. Bush have more in common than a lot of Americans! It's almost funny. I can't laugh though. I just watched Allah (its his work I've been told) behead a man.

Quote:Where are your proofs for that, we are talking here about true Islam, we are not talking about Taliban or any others who are wearing the cloack of Islam then they are beheading people to show how savage Islam is , that does not represent Islam. Here in Kuwait many youngesters came back from Iraq, they were brainwashed by some extremists group to go and fight in Iraq, they did go they were craving for Jihad, when they went there, they saw that these groups that are leading whatever is going on in Iraq now from the beheading or killing or car blowings, are not true muslims, they said first they do not have beards, they do not pray, and they do not preach true Islam, and they asked them to blow themselves up, so in return the youngesters refused because they were truly relegiuos and said " I will not commit suicide to kill myself and innocent people along with me, this is not Islam, and this is not what Allah ordered us to do, why don't u go blow yourself up". Then they left and on their way back they were caught at the Iraqi Syrian borders then handled to the Kuwaiti authorities. They are set free now after knowing their intentions, and since they did not join the terrorists in iraq who are not muslims, but there are a few that are still held, and some they are still searching for. So before u attack Islam, which we keep on repeating here and every other place in the world, diffrenciate between true Islam and between terrorists that are wearing the cloack of Islam, theifs are kidnapping children in Iraq to ask for ransomes from their parents in the name of Islam.
Now let us turn to your country US, since it was founded how many masacres were comitted so it would build itself upon others ruins.


1- Red Indians, a whole nation was annihilated. ( was that in the name of democracy also  )


2- Japan, atomic bomb, who was destroyed the governement or the population ?


3- Vietnam, what did US really gain ?


4- Iran, Iraq, Kuwait conflict - I am speechless -


5- Israel who is trying to annihilate the palestinian population with the blessings of the USA  wonderful democracy.

Quote: Very true. I can't defend what was done to the Indians. We had slavery at one time to. Americans recognize this. We also know we can't change it. We weren't alive when it happened and we can't bring them back. We had a civil war over slavery with brother killing brother. Americans were willing to die to keep the Union together and abolish slavery. We don't have slavery any longer.

Quote: Do you have any idea what you're saying on this topic? Everytime the US is attacked by another country all some of you Muslims can do is act like the US isn't supposed to react! Japan, without warning, on the morning of December 7th 1941 attacked the United States. They declared war on us. We beat them all the way back to Japan and they would not surrender. We said if you don't surrender we will drop this bomb. They wouldn't surrender. So instead of getting thousands of Americans who didn't start the war killed by invading the island we dropped 2 atomic bombs.

Quote:Wow. You're really picking at topics you don't even have any idea about aren't you? Do you know why the Vietnam war ended? Do you know who John Kennedy was? What is your point about Vietnam? You probably think we invaded Vietnam originally don't you"?

Quote:Kuwait conflict...tell me what should have happend. Iraq. We never should have invaded. Iran...we haven't invaded. You've made no point so I guess you don't have one on these topics.

Quote:Sure...your leaders never lie. They're just puppets so, like Saddam, they do no wrong. Its someone elses fault.

Quote:I'll end this like this you're never going to believe you're leaders do anything wrong. It's always the Americans fault.
We should have let Kuwait fall into Saddams hands. A little negotiating with the nut and everything's ok. It would have prevented the Iraq wars and we don't have any of this mess.