Quote: Soul person wrote:
He has not made me arrogant and wicked. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up a live .

Quote:yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them

Quote:The last part of that would seem to suggest that Jesus is refering to his resurrection. But then thats contradicted by:


* Curious Christian scratches head :unsure: :confused:

Quote:Well...in the NT there is no contradiction about who was crucified...it was Christ. The Quran was the first major document to say that Jesus wasn't crucified and that "somebody else" was crucified. How many people actually witnessed the crucifiction? Hundreds? Thousands?

Quote:Bismillah:


Assalamo Alikum everyone.


Curious... i wonder if you have red Chapter 5 in the book of Hebrews!!!! please pay attention to Hebrews 5:7:


Hebrews 5


1 Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.


2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness.


3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people.


4 No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was.


5 So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,


"You are my Son; today I have become your Father.


6 And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."


<b>7 During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. </b>



8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered


9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him


10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.


so if any other verse from the same Bible saying that Jesus died on the cross will contradict Hebrews 5:7, so far we agree with Hebrews 5:7 that God saved Jesus pbuh from death. Alhamdulelah. of course you can check the above verses from your own Bible. these verses were taken from the New International Version of the Bible (NIV).


Salam


Wael.

Quote:5It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6But there is a place where someone has testified:
"What is man that you are mindful of him,


the son of man that you care for him?


7You made him a little[a] lower than the angels;


you crowned him with glory and honor


8and put everything under his feet?<b>In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. 9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. </b>


10In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. 12He says,


"I will declare your name to my brothers;


in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises."[c] 13And again,


"I will put my trust in him."[d] And again he says,


"Here am I, and the children God has given me."[e]


14Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants. 17For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for[f]the sins of the people. 18Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Quote:Hebrews 6
1Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And God permitting, we will do so.


4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because<b>to <strong>their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again</strong></b><strong> and subjecting him to public disgrace</strong>

Quote:<strong>11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,</strong><b><strong> he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. 13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14How much more, then, </strong><strong><strong>will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death</strong></strong></b><strong><strong>,[c] so that we may serve the living God! </strong></strong><strong><strong>
15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.</strong></strong>

Quote:Wel mel....


You are completely wrong. This verse does not contradict any other verse regarding Jesus' death on the cross, resurrection from the dead and accession into heaven. Jesus conquered death. He was saved from death. He rose from the dead after 3 days and after 40 days ascended into heaven. I can, if you want, post about 100 verses confirming this from the Bible both OT and NT...However, I don't think I have to.

Quote:If you read Hebrews and, in fact the entire Holy Bible the message is clear. Christ lives forever.

Quote:i dont know how it is not contradicted the other verses... he prayed to not to die and God heard his prayers, no interpretation needed.


i also can post more than 100 verses from the Bible to prove that jesus never die but this is not our topic, you were asking about Jesus in the Qur'an so let us focus on this topic.


also if you read Hebrews and in fact the entire Bible there is another message that is more clear, <b>Melchisedec lives forever</b>. not only that but he was "Without father, without mother, without descent, <b>having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God</b>...."



Salam


Wael.

Quote:i also can post more than 100 verses from the Bible to prove that jesus never died but this is not our topic

Quote:<b>All the saints (meaning believers in Christ) live forever. </b> Because Christ was saved from death so are we...

Quote:You don't think that there are verses in the Quran that appear to contradict eachother to the unbeliever??? Or maybe mathamatical and scientific errors which are exposed???

Quote:And you are right, this thread was about Jesus in the Quran. However I can't sit back and watch somebody make such foolish comments about Christ and quote the Bible. I wouldn't go through the Quran and pick verses which show contradiction and throw them up as fact...if I had a question about those verses I'd ask on this board.

Quote:Wel mel....


You are completely wrong......Christ is.....the creator of the world......in fact the entire Holy Bible the message is clear.