Quote:There is one God. A God in three persons.

Quote:Consider this analogy.
I am a man.


I am also a son (the son of my father).


I am also a father (the father of my daughter).


I am all three.

Quote:First you must accept and understand that Jesus is God which is something that Muslims reject.

Quote:God in three distinct persons. All were present at the laying of the foundations of our universe. Genisis even says, "We created man in our image" not "my image."

Quote:Bismillah:


Is this to be found in the Ten Commandments? For example will be able to read something in the Bible like <b>“I am God in three persons thou shall worship all of us because we are all one”
</b>


Or <b>“hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One God in three persons
</b>”???


Or <b>“there is Only one God (in three persons)”
</b> even between brackets?


Good example CC, but can you answer this simple question please.


If you as<b> “a man” </b> told your wife a secret. Will you as <b>“a son” </b> and as<b> “a father”</b> know this secret as well or no?


not only Muslims, many Christians sects do not believe that Jesus is God. they only consider him as Lord and son of God. and of course both terms does not mean "God"


that's because in several languages, there are two types of plurals, one is a plural of numbers to refer to something that occurs in a quantity of more than one. The other plural is a plural of respect.


In the English language, the Queen of England refers to herself as ‘We’ instead of ‘I’. This is known as the ‘royal plural’. , Similarly in Arabic, when Allah refers to Himself in the Qur’an, He often uses Arabic word 'Nahnu' meaning ‘We’. It does not indicate plural of number but plural of respect. same thing when you read Genesis. US and We refers to God alone and not more than one person.


Salam


Wael.

Quote:Bismillah


Curious Christian


Thank you for reply,but I need to know more.I am intrest in understanding not proving it is correct or not.


From your reply I understand that:


You believe in one God and this God is Juses.


You call him the father because He has a son,who is this son?


Also you call him the son because He has a father,who is this father?


I am still intrest in understanding what the following words mean to you(with respect to this God):the word,the lord,the spirit and the co-creator.

Quote:Bismillah


Curious Christian


Thank you for reply,but I need to know more.I am intrest in understanding not proving it is correct or not.


From your reply I understand that:


You believe in one God and this God is Juses.


You call him the father because He has a son,who is this son?


Also you call him the son because He has a father,who is this father?


I am still intrest in understanding what the following words mean to you(with respect to this God):the word,the lord,the spirit and the co-creator.

Quote:[Christ is infinite, His life did not begin at conception in Mary, he was not created at that time. He has been with the Father since before the creation of the world, in fact Christ was an integral participant throughout creation – Hebrews 1:2.

Quote: He ascended into Heaven to seat at the right hand of His Father to rule – Acts 1:9.

Quote:2) Look at this simple logic that can be found in the first chapter of John again, you think that John 1 means "a god." I don't think it does. I've responded to that question before.

Quote:And not all mankind is part of the Trinity. However, to have communion with God you must come through Christ.

Quote:Muslims believe that Christ didn't die on the cross and thus wasn't resurrected. When and how then do Muslims believe Christ died?

Quote:However you said this, "not only Muslims, many Christians sects do not believe that Jesus is God. they only consider him as Lord and son of God. and of course both terms does not mean "God"<b></b>


I tell you that if a "christian" denies the deity of Christ than that person isn't a Christian at all.

Quote:"More than half of England's Anglican Bishops say that Christians are not obliged to believe that Jesus Christ was God,
according to a survey published today. <b>The pole of 31 of England's 39 bishops shows that many of them think that Christ's miracles, the virgin birth and the resurrection might not have happened exactly as described in the Bible.</b> Only 11 of the bishops insisted that Christians must regard Christ as both God and man, while 19 said it was sufficient to regard Jesus as 'God's supreme agent'"

Quote:The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son of God are later additions.... what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus' death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of Jesus."

Quote:Bismillah:


First of all i would like to remind you of my simple question regarding trinity.


If you as<b> “a man” </b> told your wife a secret. Will you as <b>“a son”</b> and as <b>“a father”</b> know this secret as well or no?


again we are requesting ONE single verse from the lips of Jesus Christ where <b>HE SAID </b> i am the Creator. or I am infinite etc,,,


First <b>Acts 1:9</b> does not mention that he 'sat on the right hand of his father' this verse only says that he WAS TAKEN UP. Please note this verse does not also say that HE (HIMSELF) ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN. NO, it says HE WAS TAKEN UP, and taken up means somebody else has taken him up, another force and another power and not HIS OWN POWER.


The verse where it says <b>he seat on the right hand of God</b> is to be found in Mark 16:19


However, this verse is considered to be one of the most serious of those <b>"grave defects"</b> which the authors of the <b>RSV</b> had tried to rectify concerned the Ascension of Christ. There have been only two references in the Canonical Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and of John to the most stupendous event in Christianity — OF JESUS BEING TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN. These two references were obtained in every Bible in every language, prior to 1952, when the RSV first appeared. These were:


"So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was <b>TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN</b>, and sat down at the right hand of God."


(Mark 16:19)


"While he blessed them, he parted from them, and was CARRIED UP INTO HEAVEN."


(Luke 24:51)


Now please look at the image below, which is a photo copy where the quotation MARK 16:19 above ought to appear. You will be shocked to note that Mark 16 ends at verse 8, and after an embarrassing expanse of blank space the missing verses appear in "small print" as a footnote at the bottom of the page. If you can lay your hands on a RSV 1952, you will find the last six words of Luke 24:51 above, i.e. "AND WAS CARRIED UP INTO HEAVEN" replaced by a tiny "a" to tell you to see the footnote if you please, where you will find these missing words. Every honest Christian has to admit that he does not consider any footnote in any Bible as the word of God. Why should the paid servants of Christianity consign the mightiest miracle of their religion to a mere footnote?





it is not that i think or that you think... we are talking about the correct translation of the Greek word. which if you are in doubt you have to make some research.


why not? if the same word ONE used in john 10:30 was the same when he address his disciples and other people.


Muslims believe, that Jesus was one of the mightiest messengers of God that he was the Christ, that he was born miraculously without any male intervention (which many modern-day Christians do not believe today), that he gave life to the dead by God's permission and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission. In fact, no Muslim is a Muslim if he or she does not believe in Jesus!


the miraculous birth of Jesus however, does not make him a God or a "begotten" son of God the Holy Quran says:


"The similitude of Jesus before Allah (God) is that of Adam; He created him from dust then said to him: 'Be', and he was." 3:59


Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified, but rather that someone else was made to resemble him and crucified instead of him. The Qur'an states that he was raised up to the heavens where he will await until the day when he will be sent back to earth towards the end of time. Allah says: "<b>And because of their (Jews) saying boastfully: 'We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, Messenger of God.' But they killed him not nor did they crucify him, but rather the resemblance of Jesus was put in another man (and they killed that man). And those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no certain knowledge; they follow nothing but conjecture, for surely they killed him not. Rather, Allah raised him up (body and soul) unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, Most Wise. And there is none of the people of the Scripture (i.e. Jews and Christians), except that he will surely believe in Him (that he was really a messenger of God) before his (Jesus') death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them."</b>4:157-159


Jesus, son of Mary will be returning to this world before the Day of Resurrection. He will return to become <b>a leader of the Muslim nation.</b>


"And he (Jesus, son of Mary) shall be known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (Allah) This is the Straight Path (of Islamic Monotheism, leading to Allah and to His Paradise)." 4361


The Prophet Muhammad has prophesised that Jesus will return and judge mankind with justice. He will descend by the white minaretin the east of Damascus, placing his hands upon the wings of two angels, and will fight against the Antichrist (Dajjaal) until he reaches the gate of Ludd (present-day Israel), where he will kill him. after that he will die as all human being.


Salam


Wael.