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Soap Box - Faith Hope Charity - 12-30-2006
In the name of God - Father (love) Son (grace) Holy Spirit (truth).
May the peace of Christ be with you all!
Teh_Curious... I live in Australia too :) But I'm Lebanese by race :D
Do you also have a Lebanese background?
I follow Lebanese politics with a passion & I lived every second of the Hizbullah/IDF July War in complete terror & despair. I pray to God with all my heart that the victims who survived (or anyone for that matter) NEVER experience anything devastating like that again!
Quote:The war is not between Islam and jews but rather between Muslims and Jews. Well, come to think about it, cannt u see the Jews are already in war with Muslims?
Muslimah, as far as (the majority of) Muslims in Lebanon are concerned, they didn't support the most recent war with Israel (Jews). It had more to do with politics than religion. The current government in Lebanon (Sunni Muslims) are calling for peace talks with Jews in Israel, as Jordan did a while back, but Hizbullah (whose militia operates illegally in Lebanon but pretty much control the country) are against the idea. The leaders of the Shiite parties are opposing the government's proposal, which leads me to conclude that it can't possibly come down to religion otherwise a fight between the different Islamic sects in Lebanon will break out. Am I making any sense? LOL!
Quote:dont we have the right to fight back, or do we have just to accept and say thank u for killing us, raping us, destroying our countries?
Does Islam teach that you ought to fight back? I don't think you should offer gratitude to your aggressors but won't retaliation only make matters worse? 2 wrongs don't make a right! I strongly believe in self-defence (proportionate) but not in revenge as it doesn't achieve anything positive!
What do you (or Islam) think?
Let's keep praying for peace together :)
God bless.
<i>Faith Hope Charity Openness Tolerance Equality</i>
Soap Box - Teh_Curious - 12-30-2006
Quote:In the name of God - Father (love) Son (grace) Holy Spirit (truth).
May the peace of Christ be with you all!
Teh_Curious... I live in Australia too :) But I'm Lebanese by race :D
Do you also have a Lebanese background?
<i>Faith Hope Charity Openness Tolerance Equality</i>
na im a skip ;)
what i find bizaar about all this is when i was @ school i had lebanese, Syrian, Egyptian friends christin/muslim thing never came into it, it was just who they were and who we were and were were great friends down the ovals we would play league and soccer wogs V's skips but it was never anything racially bad it was all in good fun. We would get our asses kicked in soccer and they got theirs kicked in league there was never tension there was just never any difference
kinda makes you wonder what happened to make everything so screwed up :/
Soap Box - Ruggedtouch - 12-30-2006
Quote:Bismillah
salam Teh Curious.
First off, let me welcome u to the board. I must also admit that your approach to seek another angle is really rational.
Regarding your question, to just clarify matters, the reply given by PUPPET and Umm, is according to our Islamic teaching. In other words, being among a group of Muslims will allow you to know the Muslim take, rather than OUR take. According to Quran and sunnah (traditions of the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam), this whole situation is a must, it is all in the text. The muslim Ummah situation deteriorated, we know this, Israel is climbing high, but they know that winning the war will be to us. Only then, peace will be spread. But again, as PUPPET indicated, Eassa (Jesus) prayer and peace be upon him must return to earth, and there will be a major war between Muslims and Jews Insh aAllah.
O bTW dont panic, no one will try to convert u, unless you ask questions, no one will force u to know. :) so relax... :) and enjoy your stay.
See – that’s my biggest problem with the more… how shall we say… self destructive of the many religions running around these days. They completely dismantle the human survival instinct. The result is cultists whose direct beliefs for humanities ultimate destiny is to put into place the very elements to effect the end times, with full knowledge that their actions will cause massive suffering and inflict untold damage. We see that with the death cultists in Iran, today. A relatively small number of endtimer’s, intent on collecting nuclear weapons with which to start a conflagration that could quickly escalate. So they create the conditions to begin a conflict, oblivious to the fact that there is no ultimate paradise to ascend to and they cause disastrous events to occur and then sit back and watch as nations promptly blow each other up because they believe that is the worlds ultimate destiny.
I know you guys like to be excused from the discipline of criteria and definition, but... well, you've run across someone who is insisting that which you define maintains the integrity of its own definition. After all, it's only fair since you're the ones making those definitions and arguing that they must be true. That's okay with me, as long as you don't <i>completely dismantle them</i> on your way to attempting to prove they are true.
Hate is learned behavior. Moslems, more so than any other religious entity, are indoctrinated from the earliest age in their hatreds and the "most righteous" way to focus those hatreds is to associate with groups and a micro culture which possesses the same goals and aspirations. This can also be seen in the US by looking at the hatred and fear instilled in the young by the Klan -- or what used to be the Klan, they are virtually a non-entity -- or by looking at Nazi Germany which created the youth movement where Aryan supremacy was the lesson of the day, and unfortunately, as we see on an on-going basis today, the proliferation of Moslem groups that would follow a literal (orthodx), religious belief.
But I also believe that there is something else going on here. Aside from just the culturally misguided, the need for acceptance in a world where, even with the finest technologies and communication, people in tightly controlled societies are more isolated than they have ever been has to play a role in this phenomenon. Unfortunately, self-confidence, self-respect and a sense of self-worth and belonging seems to be something that Moslem children aren't getting, and as a result, the by-product is adults who grow up feeling inadequate and lost. Adults who grow up believing that spectacular deeds or acceptance by some "group" or religion is the only way to fill those inadequacies is what we see every time a person is willing to discard his life for some doctrine, faith, or belief that ultimately failed him by costing him his most precious commodity.
Soap Box - Faith Hope Charity - 12-31-2006
Yo skip :wavey:
Mate, you & I are extremely blessed to be living in this Great Southern Land :)
Thank God for freedom & tolerance!
Peace :peace: