Quote:Hi Wael,


Thanks for everything!


I agree with most of Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi's statement :) Truthfully, I have strong reservations about artificial contraception & any form abortion. I will not budge!

Quote:You will be happy to know that I would prefer Muslim women populate the world with more Muslims rather than prevent conception from taking place or seeking abortion at any stage :)

Quote:I urge you to talk any woman you know out of having an abortion, under all circumstances (Yes! Including rape - which is a very rare case - less than 1% of abortions performed result from rape! As hard as it is, we need to acknowledge the baby's innocence as well as the miraculous gift of pro-creation).
May Allah open His arms to all the souls that have exited their mother's womb in such an awful way.


God bless.

Quote:The attempt by such zealots to impose their will on others as they threaten women into becoming involuntary incubators is a testament to the weakness of the 'moral' position they would impose on others.

Quote:Look, let’s be honest, to propagate the realities that so define the Muslim world: violence, hatred, poverty, un-treated disease, ignorance, early death, and of course, leadership toward these goals will do nothing to further humanity.

Quote:Thus, we in the U.S. have had the protections of Rowe vs Wade which is a reasonable compromise.

Quote:recognizing as a superior matter of privacy the right of a woman to control a pregnancy before that zygote/embryo/fetus has become a viable entity

Quote:<i>Im not 486- some thoughts.</i>
If the Jesus story happened in this day and age, i wonder if the saviour would have made it out of the womb alive....Statisitics show that in 2003,that a whopping 84,000 women in this country had abortions... after looking at those stats the odds dont look so good.


I think that the Jesus story is a poingant reminder of how important our life choices can be and how their ramifications reach far beyond the individual. We do ourselves a great disservice if we think that terminations are for the common good...


The strength and bravery of a woman in a heavily patricarchal society, in world that frowned upon pregnancy out of wedlock to the point of occasioning death on the mother shows us that, anything is possible if we have conviction and compassion. We are fortunate enough to live in a society where support is available, we have a voice, we can make things work in our favour despite the dreary forecast.


That one child saved, Jesus, has had a huge impact on the entire world. His influnece has been so profound and far reaching... so i think imagine among those 84,000 souls lost in 2003, we would have killed a possible Mozart or a hypothetical Mandela or a blessed Buddha... think of how many gifted souls we are depriving the world of.


I wonder what it is that makes them (women/ couples) think they cannot have a child or give birth, they must be hugely profound to warrant the consideration of a termination. The idea that "it just isnt the right time for me/us right now" is not enough in my mind. I know i sound overly self righteous and naive and i tend to preach a fair bit without supporting data or any real life expirience- but as a poet, and i call myself that with much reluctance (due to lack of real talent!), i say to hell with all that. I choose to support my arguement with a zeal for life, in a society "growing" through destruction, I choose to challenge the populus.


I want to cry out for all the lives lost. Think about the public pouring of sympathy to the shores of Indonesia when the Tsunami hit and upwards of 100,000 people were killed... Isnt this the same in some small way or worse because its self inflicted and not anatural disaster? Cant anyone see what a waste of human life Abortion is? Am i mad?


Its funny we abolished Capital Punishment in the 50's for those deemed unfit to be part of society- so we took a stance and said we have compassion for those who kill and rape and do wrong. But then how can we allow the termination of innocent lives without so much as a bat of an eyelash?


I think i aim this particular entry at people who are flippant in their choices. The paradox i feel with this situation is that more often than not life and the choice to preserve it is overlooked by ones life and the choice to preserve the way they lead it. So effectively it becomes life vs. lifestyle...


I personally don’t view having a "child" (not carrying just a "fertilised egg") as giving up my rights; i view fertility as a privilege and an honour. That's where the buck stops.

Quote:<b>Killing the innocent baby to save the innocent mother =</b> All life is equal! We should never try to obtain good by committing evil. The end doesn't justify the means.

Quote:<b>Isn’t the whole idea of Salvation in Christendom based on killing innocent person? </b>

Quote:By saving the mother you are giving her chance to take care of her other children, or maybe her old mother or father, or maybe her paralyzed husband etc etc... but to save the child means to add more calamities to the situation.

Quote:Yes... with the innocent person's consent!

Quote:If you save the mother, on her way home from the hospital she might die in a tragic car accident & then what? I guess her other children, her old parents & her paralysed husband will have to fend for themselves. Alternatively, they can place their trust in God & His Divine Providence!

Quote:This book by an eminent Christian philosopher, Francis Beckwith, supports the traditional Christian pro-life position based on those two main premises:<b> that human life begins at conception (fertilization) and that it is wrong to take this life except where the mother’s actual life is in danger
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Quote:First of all, we would like to state that abortion is forbidden in Islam whether it be in the early or late stages of pregnancy. The degree of sin incurred varies according to the stage of pregnancy, so that less sin is incurred if the abortion takes place during the early stages, while it becomes increasingly haram (prohibited by Allah) as the pregnancy advances. When the pregnancy reaches the 120th day, abortion is totally forbidden and is considered a form of murder that requires compensation to be paid. The only condition under which abortion is allowed is when there is an actual threat to the life of the mother that is confirmed by a medical examination that reveals that if the pregnancy advances any further, the mother may die.

Quote:And that's why he was crying loud to <b>HIS GOD </b> to save him? And that's why he was <b>disappointed of God’s decision</b>?

Quote:we can interpret the Bible in many different ways <b>because most of its verses are not clear, ambiguous</b>, and the worst thing is <b>that the Christians interpretations of the BIBLES
are more confusing</b>.

Quote:This is called destiny!! In such case there is no doubt that God Almighty is going to take care of the situation. <b>But when it is a matter of choice between the life of the mother and the life of the fetus </b> (who does not come yet to this world i.e UNBORN
) then we have to go for the lesser damage rather than the greater one.

Quote:supports the traditional Christian pro-life position ... that it is wrong to take this life except where the mother’s actual life is in danger

Quote:Wael, we've already been through this. Psalm 22 tells the story of a just man who is persecuted but will win in the end & the name of the Lord will be praised. It also describes the harsh treatment, insults, & mockery that the Man endured. If you read the next few verses of St Mark's Gospel, he recalls 2 events as evidence of the success of Christ's mission - the tearing of the temple veil & a Gentile's act of faith in Jesus' divinity.

Quote:Let our Pope do his job!

Quote:You obviously didn't watch my video on YouTube :( Unborn doesn't mean non-existent.

Quote:What would happen if a pregnant Muslim in a critical condition refuses to have an abortion & risks her life as a result? Is that considered a sin?

Quote:personally, I'd sacrifice my life for the sake of my child's