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For those who want to learn about Quran validity - Muslimah - 12-26-2012
Bismillah
Praise be to Allah, King of the Kings and Creator of all creations, prayer and peace be upon His Messenger Mohamed Ibn Abdullah.
To continue on the Ayah:" "Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." (Quran 15:9)
Was the Quran subject to distortion or falsification?
Evidences from Quran that prove falsification as impossible:
Separated letters _ 2:
There was a consensus acceptance around the separated letters, with which 29 Surahs (chapter) of the Quran start, without the least argument or questioning. None of the companions of the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam, questioned them, nor the Messenger himself salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam gave any explanation to them. However, the dominating sense of those letters that they contain some secret. Each party, the believers and people of the book strove hard in order to solve its code, whereas the non believers didn’t have an openly expressed opinion about them.
As for the believers, some of them perceived those letters as acronyms or abbreviations of sentences. Ibn Abbass may Allah Be Pleased with both of them, commented saying: Alef lam meem is an acronym of Anna Allah A`lam ( I M Allah I Know), alef lam meem sad is an acronym of Anna Allah Afsel (I M Allah I Settle), and alef lam ra is an acronym of Anna Allah Araa (I M Allah I See). While he commented about alef lam ra, ha meem, and noon as being a set of separated letters that form the name ArRahman. Others perceived those letters as acronyms to Allah's Names explaining for example kaf ha ya a`yn sad as kafen which means One Who Protects and Suffices haden which means One Who Guides, Ameen, A`zeez, Sadek (Trustworthy, Mighty Who Is not to be Beaten, Truth Sayer). They added, that using some of the letters of the word is a common for Arabs. Arabs pronounce one letter to indicate the word of which its is composed. Others referred to such letters as being the Greatest Name of Allah, however, we are not aware of its composition using those letters.
As for the Jews, they took another perception towards this matter, narrated Jaber Ibn Abdullah may Allah be pleased with him, that Abu Yasser Ibn Akhttab was among a group of Jewish men who passed by the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam while he was reciting the first part of Surat Baqarah:
1"Alif-Lam-Mim * Dhālika al-Kitābu Lā rayba fīhi Hudan lilmuttaqīna.". Then he met with his brother Huyay Ibn Akhtab sitting among Jewish men who were discussing saying: Do you know in the name of Allah I heard Mohamed reciting in part of what is revealed to him" "Alif-Lam-Mim * Dhālika al-Kitābu ". He said: did you hear him yourself? He said yes.
Huyay took the group of men sitting with him and went to meet the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam and told him: Didn’t you mention that you recite of what is revealed to you: "Alif-Lam-Mim * Dhālika al-Kitābu ". The Messenger said: yes, they replied: Allah Sent before you many prophets, we are not aware of any of them to whom Allah Revealed and informed about the duration of his ruling or the life of his Ummah except you. They further explained saying that the alif = one, lam = thirty, meem = fourty which adds up to seventy one years. Do you expect us to join the religion of a prophet whose duration of rule and Umma comes up to only seventy one years? He then added: O Mohamed, did you receive any similar parts? He said: yes, alif meem Sad, Huyay commented saying: this is more heavy and longer. Alif is one, lam is thirty, meem is forty and Sad is sixty which adds up to a hundred and thirty one years. He continued asking: is there other similar letters? He said: yes: alif lam ra, he replied this is even more heavy and longer: alif equals one, lam equals thirty, and ra two hundred which comes up to total of two hundred and thirty one years. He further said: We are confused about your situation and position that we are totally unaware of whether Allah Granted you little or much. Then he turned to his friends and said: just go away and leave him. Abu Yasser told his brother and the rest of the group: how can you not be sure that Allah Didn’t add up all of this to him which is seventy one plus hundred and thirty one plus two hundred thirty one plus two hundred seventy one which comes up to total of seven hundred and four years. They concluded saying this matter is so confusing to us.
While the pagans of Quraish actually never commented about those separated letters, when in fact they were trying to seize any chance to ridicule the Ayahs of Allah. When Allah Revealed:"'Adhalika khayrun Nuzulāan 'am Shajaratu az-Zaqqūmi..
Is that (Paradise) better entertainment or the tree of Zaqqoom (a horrible tree in Hell)?" (Quran 37:62)
He instructed his slave girl saying in a mocking manner zaqqimina (which translates as bring us zaqqoom to eat). She served him dates and butter. He then turned to his friends saying: Tazaqqamoo (which means eat the zaqqoom), this is what Mohamed is warning us against, he claims that hell grows trees while fire in fact burns trees. In the case of revealing the Ayah of: " Over it are nineteen (angels as guardians and keepers of Hell)." (Quran 74:30) he mocked the Ayah telling Quraish: may your mothers loose you by death, I heard Ibn Abi Kabsha (referring to the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam), he is informing you that the guardians of Juhanam are nineteen while you are those who are large in number and courageous, will it be difficult for each ten of you to defeat one of them? One of the pagans said: I would push with my right shoulder ten and with my left shoulder nine, then you all may easily pass through to reach Jannah. Another one said I can handle seventeen and you just handle two. Abu Jahl concluded saying: is it difficult for each hundred from among you to harshly defeat one of them then you are out of Hell?
They were capable of making all of such mocking against several Ayahs revealed in Quran, yet, they were never able to come up with any comment or accusation against the separated letters.
Even the orientalists tried to understand the secret behind those letters. A number of them saw it as keys to the Quran Surahs. They even made an analogy with the musical key notes which are placed at the beginning of any music note.
Regardless of the diverse perceptions about the separated letter, none came up one day questioning why do we continue placing in the Mushaf some letters of which the indication is ambigious? Why don’t we take it off the Mushaf?
We can then easily conclude that the placement and maintenance of such letters in the Mushaf throughout the time is a strong evidence against the possibility of any distortion or change in the Quran. If there were any possibility of such change, such letters would have been the first target. We can also safely say that it suffices if Allah Included such letters in the Quran to stand as an evidence against the distortion or falsification of Quran. However, no doubt that they carry another secret which is not declared to us from Allah till now.
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Masoud may Allah Be Pleased with him saying: that the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam used to end prayer by saying as salam alykom wa rahmatullah on both sides making sure to fully turn till you can easily see the whiteness of his cheeks.
This hadeeth was included in 55 narrations, in one of them, the formula that the Messenger used was just assalam alykom, two using the formula assalalm alykim wa rahamatullah wa barakatuh to the right and just assalalamu alykom to the left, and 52 with the above mentioned formula.
For those who want to learn about Quran validity - Muslimah - 12-26-2012
Bismillah
Praise be to Allah, King of the Kings and Creator of all creations, prayer and peace be upon His Messenger Mohamed Ibn Abdullah.
To continue on the Ayah:" "Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." (Quran 15:9)
Was the Quran subject to distortion or falsification?
Evidences from Quran that prove falsification as impossible-3:
Command verb "say":
The number of times the command verb "say" came in Allah's book is 168, of which 15 were in response to questions raised by either Muslims or Jews that Allah quoted in His holy book.
One of the questions raised by the Jews were the following:
" They ask you (O Muhammad) about the new moons Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for humankind and for the pilgrimage" (Quran 2:189)
" And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnayn. Say: "I shall recite to you something of his story." (Quran 18:83). Jews used to teach the pagans those questions for them to bring it to the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam.
As for the questions raised by the believers:
" They ask you (O Muhammad) what they should spend. Say: Whatever you spend of good must be for parents and kindred and orphans and the poor and the wayfarers, and whatever you do of good deeds, truly, Allah knows it well" (Quran 2:215)
" They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months. Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression)" (Quran 2:217)
In another case, the question raised by the pagans was a ridiculous one, thus, Allah Did not include it in His book, however, Allah brought forth the reply. They asked the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam saying: introduce to us the lineage of your Lord. They wanted him to mention who is his father, grandfather and tribe. Allah Replied to them with Surat Ikhlas (Quran 112):
"Say (O Muhammad): "He is Allah, (the) One.
Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). He begets not, nor was He begotten; And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."
Other occurrences of the command verb say in Quran came in response to issues raised by either the pagans or people of the book, such as:
" And they say, "The (Hell) Fire shall not touch us
but for a few numbered days. *Say: "Have you taken a covenant from Allah, so that Allah will not break His Covenant? Or is it that you say of Allah what you know not?" (Quran 2:80)
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"And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad to them): "Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?" (Quran 2:91)
" And when they meet you, They say, "We believe". But when they are alone,
they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: "Perish in your rage." (Quran 3:119)
Usually, when someone commands another to utter something in the sentence form: say so and so. The recipient is supposed to say only what has been requested to be uttered without the verb "say". Such as when a judge requests to the witness: Say: In the name of Allah Almighty I would say the truth. The witness will say: In the name of Allah Almighty, I will say the truth. In such case the witness omits the word "say". Unlike in the case of Quran, the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam when those Ayahs containing the verb "say" were revealed, he recited them as is including the word "say". Scribes of the revelation also wrote the Ayahs down including the word "say" which of course makes Muslims read it the same way till the Day After. No one came with the inquiry of why do we read "say" when the command was directed to the Messenger. Neither did anyone recite Suratu Al Ikhlas saying:” He is Allah, (the) One” except a number of initiatives of individuals claiming to belong to Islam who come up from time to time with opinions that reveal nothing but a total detachment of Islam. Someone called for this idea since a number of years. However, he found no followers. On the contrary this idea made him a subject to mockery. But what is more important is the command verb “Say” remined to be scribed and recited. Instead of eliminating or replacing the verb, scholar who handle the interpretation of Quran (Tafseer) strove to understand the contained wisdom within. What they found was intriguing, they found that the verb is employed as an evidence to the authenticity of the Messenger’s communication to the message. The answer to the question or the controversial issue shall not be taken from him but rather from his Lord. For example, if someone sent his son to convey a message to his uncle. The father would command the son saying: Tell (say) to your uncle that you are invited to lunch with us tomorrow. The son would go to the uncle and say: you are invited to lunch with us tomorrow. The invitation might, in such case, sound like being extended from the son. However, if the son says: my father told me: tell (say) to your uncle you are invited to lunch with us tomorrow, as such, there shall be no doubt that the invitation is extended by the father and not the son. Based on this anology, if the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam said: They These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for humankind and for the pilgrimage (Quran 2:189)
The answer would have appeared to be given from the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam. However, the sentence as revealed saying:” Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for humankind and for the pilgrimage”. Is an evidence that the response is from Allah and not from the Messenger.
For those who want to learn about Quran validity - Muslimah - 12-26-2012
Bismillah
Praise be to Allah, King of the Kings and Creator of all creations, prayer and peace be upon His Messenger Mohamed Ibn Abdullah.
To continue on the Ayah:" "Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." (Quran 15:9)
Was the Quran subject to distortion or falsification?
Evidences from Quran that prove falsification as impossible
In his Tafseer of Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption), Imam Qurtobi – may Allah Have mercy on him – said: Alhussain Ibn Fahm said: I heard Yahia Bin Aktham said: Almamoun – at the time he was a prince – used to hold a study gathering – among the mass a Jewish man who had a good appearance, good looking and smell came in. He started talking and he proved an excellent style. As soon as the gathering was over, Maamoun invited him and asked: are you an Israeli? He said: yes. He told him: embrace Islam, and I will do this and that promising him things. He said: my religion and the religion of my parents. He left. After one year, he came back to us as a Muslim. He started presenting Fiqh information in the best format. As soon as the gathering ended, Almamoun invited him and asked: aren’t you our past companion? He said: yes. He asked him: what was the reason that made you embrace Islam? He explained: as soon as I left your company, I felt like investigating these religions and as you can observe I m quite lucky. I started with the Torah, I made three copies with a number of insertions and omissions. After that, I took them into the Church (Jewish Temple), they bought them from me. Again to the Bible I repeated the same process and took them to the Bay`ah (Nasara’s temple) again they bought them from me. Finally, I applied the same procedures and took it into the Warraqiyah (where books are sold), they looked through them and reviewed them, as soon as they realized the insertions and omissions, they rejected purchasing the copies. As such, I realized that this book is well protected, and that was the reason for me to embrace Islam.
During the forties of the last century, a non Muslim made the a similar experiment to Quran, but in a more accurate format. He took one of the Quran books and deleted a dot off one of the letters. However, in selecting this particular word, he picked up one when the dot is deleted, the created word would have a meaning that goes along with the rest of the Ayah in an effort to make the realization difficult. Then he marked this particular copy of Quran and placed it in a major Masjed. After sometime, he came back and checked the copy to find that someone placed the dot he deleted. This incident was a reason for him to embrace Islam.
During the sixities, Israel introduced a copy of the Mushaf that was printed in Germany with a very high quality in terms of paper and print. However, they deleted a word of the Ayah:
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers<sup>[1]</sup>.
But they omitted the word other than in order to change it into: And whoever seeks Islâm as a religion, it will never be accepted of him. As soon as the publication was introduced to the market, the distortion was discovered. Islamic countries immediately intervened, withdrew the publication off the markets and put to burn. As such, Allah’s words were applied in which Allah Say:
“Verily, those who disbelieve spend their wealth to hinder (men) from the Path of Allâh, and so will they continue to spend it; but in the end it will become an anguish for them. Then they will be overcome. And those who disbelieve will be gathered unto Hell.” (Quran 8:36).
Another institution sought to distort the Holy Mus haf using an approach that they perceived as acceptable to Muslims. They added to the Ayah:
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allâh. And those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves (Quran 48:29).
After the Messenger’s name, they added salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam And those who are with him. But again the change was discovered. In response, Islamic countries interfered, withdrew the changed copies and was put to burn.
In the sixties, a Muslim man whose sincerity is not subject to any doubt sponsored the printing of a Tafseer of Quran in one of the Islamic countries. Nevertheless, a typo occurred due to which an adjective of the wives of the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam was omitted.
“It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you - Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient (to Allâh), turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, given to fasting or emigrants (for Allâh’s sake), previously married and virgins.” (Quran 66:5). Although it was only a Tafseer, yet the publication was again taken off the market and burnt.
According to the historical events, human beings are incapable of changing even one letter of this book simply because Allah Vowed to Protect it saying: Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).
Narrated Abudllah Ibn Omar may Allah Be Pleased with both of them: I saw the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam initiating the Takbeer for Salat, he raised his hands - in order to make the Takbeer – parallel to his shoulders, when he made Takbeer for Ruku, he again repeated the same position, and for the Sujud he applied the same position. When he said: same`a Allahu leman hamedah, he repeated the same position, and saying rubuna walakal hamd, and in another narration, when he stood back after ruk`u, however, he does not take this position either when he is going into Sujud or erecting back from Sujud. (reported by Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Daoud, Nasai, and Termidhi).
For those who want to learn about Quran validity - Muslimah - 12-26-2012
Bismillah
Praise be to Allah, King of the Kings and Creator of all creations, prayer and peace be upon His Messenger Mohamed Ibn Abdullah.
Do they not then consider the Quran carefully?
To continue on the Ayah:" "Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." (Quran 15:9)
Sources of distortion in the previous books
In this context, we are not intending to abuse or attack sanctities of others, Allah may He be Glorified warned us against doing so even if those sanctities were idols.
“And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge” (Quran 6:108)
As for the people of the book, we accept their sanctities and hold them well respected. Actually Allah Commanded us not to argue with them except using a kind manner:
“And argue not with the People of the Scripture, unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner” (Quran 29:46)
Narrated under the authority of Abu Horaira that the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam said: Do not believer the people of the book neither accuse them of lying, but say we believe in what has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Ilah and you Ilah is one and to Him we are Muslimoun (submitters). (reported in Tafseer Tabari).