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An Important Quesion - Whisper - 06-02-2003
Here is a question for all and it is very important.
The Nature Of God or Allah in The Bible and The Qur'an.
In the Bible,
God sends messengers at first,
God then becomes man so as to show first hand the way, the light and the truth. (To Lead by example)
In the Qur'an
Allah sends messengers
Allah unlike God does not step foot on Earth to lead by example.
We all agree I'm sure that God or Allah can do anything and I accept that God or Allah doesn't need to step foot on the Earth
to show the way because God or Allah can do anything.
The question is - (Note there is only One God) - Which do you love the most (Exclude the "Should" love because you're either Christian or Muslim)
Who for you is more noble, the God of the Bible or Allah of the Qur'an?
An Important Quesion - Purgetory - 06-02-2003
hmmm...interesting indeed. but wouldnt you love God even more if He just killed Satan and placed you in Heaven right now?
You have the wrong idea my friend. You should understand what God is before. The supreme being, He describes it well in the Qoran. I dont know the part exactly, nor which verse it lies in (if any brother or sister knows please put it in for Whisper). The verse says something like, "If all men and Jinn throughout history until now combine together and form one body, they wont add nor subtract of Allah's power."
Allah doesnt need us Whisper, we are the ones that are in need of Him. However cruel it may sound to your ears, we are mere slaves to Allah. You know it too, yet I think you never looked at it in that direction.
Let me make it clearer. Defining the relationship between the Creator and the creation (us). We always ask forgivness from the Creator. We always ask guidance and blessing. We always seek protection from evils by Him. We always want to please Him. We always pray to Him. Reread these and tell me then what relationship is there between the Creator and the creation. Are we worth that God Himself "kills His own son" for us?
No doubt, God loves us alot. I never said otherwise, yet if we sin and cause trouble, and never ask His forgivness then He will be angered and punish us. Does that mean He doesnt love us? No. That only means we dont deserve His love and as you said earlier, God is most just.
In other words, it doesnt matter what God makes you happier in your life. Its what God that makes more sense and stands up to what He truely is. A might Lord and is in need for no one, yet loves everyone that obeys Him and those that dont....well, as long as they live, the gates of forgivness are open wide.
An Important Quesion - Whisper - 06-03-2003
How can I be a slave if I have free will?
In a sense, that is the point I am making, the character of the God of the Bible and Allah Of the Qur'an are very different.
You say that we are all slaves, a slave is demanded to do something, in Islam that would be to submit to Allah.
How can the love you talk of, apply to Allah,
Forced love is devoid of sincerity.
*edited by Muslimah
An Important Quesion - SisterJennifer - 06-03-2003
Quote:You have the wrong idea my friend. You should understand what God is before. The supreme being, He describes it well in the Qoran. I dont know the part exactly, nor which verse it lies in (if any brother or sister knows please put it in for Whisper). The verse says something like, "If all men and Jinn throughout history until now combine together and form one body, they wont add nor subtract of Allah's power."
Allah doesnt need us Whisper, we are the ones that are in need of Him. [/quote:c8ccf0493b]
To Whisper: Maybe what Purgetory is saying is above your head. Who created who? God created us, or we created God? Sometimes it sounds very much as though you believe the latter. It is disturbing.
Also, we are not forced to love God. And I am sure no Muslim feels forced into love or worship. We have free will, if we wish to not love or worship Allah, or worship something other than Him, that is fine with him, and we will continue on with our merry lives, but someday the time will come when you will reap what you have sown.
Read about the 'character of God' in the bible before you declare them different. Not Jesus, GOD. Cover to Cover this time. And quit telling others to read it when you don't even know what is in there yourself. Why do you insist on comparing things you know nothing about?
And why do you keep avioding my question? :?
I don't mean to be pushy, but you come here and expect us to answer all your questionably informed questions, while refusing to answer ours.
It seems Purgetory's post fell on blind eyes, deaf ears.
An Important Quesion - Whisper - 06-03-2003
I read all your posts, the fact is however is that there all safe posts, when I question you just as I question Purgetory above, he avoided many important points, and the reason for this is because to answer me properly would contradict his religion, and you too, Sister.
You just spin and spin, no direct answers, what was your question? The pointless one about where I 'm going to be a priest? - That's your top question?
An Important Quesion - Purgetory - 06-03-2003
Quote:If God killed Satan, God would be no better than Satan, that however cannot be.[/quote:b4b4453b98]I'm sorry man, but I dont understand this. I hope you agree that God is good and Satan is bad. Why would God be bad if He kills Satan?</div></blockquote>
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How can I be a slave if I have free will?[/quote:b4b4453b98]O a slave has free will as well my friend. A slave can say no if he wants, non the less, he will get a whipping in the end. Same thing with you, you can rebel all you want now, yet dont be surprised when you see a can of whoopass opening in your face :wink: .
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In a sense, that is the point I am making, the character of the God of the Bible and Allah Of the Qur'an are very different.[/quote:b4b4453b98]hmm...well they're both forgiving, they both love their creation...I think the only difference is that your God needs to be pampered, and that He may die by human hands.
I dont know about you man, I stick to Allah.
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You say that we are all slaves, a slave is demanded to do something, in Islam that would be to submit to Allah.How can the love you talk of, apply to Allah, Forced love is devoid of sincerity.[/quote:b4b4453b98]
Where did I speak of forced love? I will quote myself again,
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We always ask forgivness from the Creator. We always ask guidance and blessing. We always seek protection from evils by Him. We always want to please Him. We always pray to Him.[/quote:b4b4453b98]what idea do you get about the relationship between us and God after reading that quote? I know for sure that Christians agree with the quote I gave, but it seems they never thought or wanted to think about it deeper. The only person who would do those things to another being is a slave to his master. Not a pal, nor a brother.
Yet non the less, our master is not a human master. Our master is God Himself, and God is all-merciful, all-wise, that makes us love Him. A slave may love His master, its not a rule that they hate each other, especialy that our master is God. I heard a lecture once about the forgivness of God in the judgment day. Very touching indeed.
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="290" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>he avoided many important points[/quote:b4b4453b98]i did? please specify and i will be more than glad to answer.
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An Important Quesion - SisterJennifer - 06-04-2003
Quote:what was your question? The pointless one about where I 'm going to be a priest? - That's your top question?[/quote:63d01cda96]You bet it is my top question. How does a man, or boy, or whatever you are claim he IS TO BE PRIEST but have no clue about the Bible. How does a man who IS TO BE PREIST lack wisdom and humanity? You obviously have a difficulty in answering it or you would have been happy to answer this simple question by now. So here is another request, but is it falling on deaf ears, or fear of having to be truthful in your answer?
Tell me what question of yours has gone unanswered? Did it ever occur to you that maybe you are ignoring the responses because maybe they are not to your liking? There is much good information to be found right on this site, and others have been listed as well. Even a good book was recommended.
No one is here to convert anyone to anything. If you have that intention, maybe you would be happier at some other site. Muslims do not have a problem my friend. But I feel sorry for you and people like you. I hope your intentions are sincere and if God wills, he will turn your face to the truth.
-Jennifer
An Important Quesion - Whisper - 06-04-2003
You know you're very good at playing innocent, you avoid questions, because the answers would be in contradiction to your religion and when I raise valid questions and points, you accuse me of being inhuman, lack wisdom and am not fit to be a priest.
How can you say I have no clue about the Bible?
The fact is I have raised valid points in regard to both the Bible and the Qur'an, sometimes however instead of you simply answering questions, your moderator has in the past edited my posts and now in in one topic has closed the topic, "Jesus The Qur'an" topic and so has given me no chance of being able to answer you and and your buddies.
Answer that one, how can I reply to questions when the topic has been closed?
How can I make strong points when my posts are being edited, for fear of insulting the great Muhammad and Allah.
Why do you fear my point of view, surely you should be able to stand up and edfend yourselves without having to edit my posts and close topics up before I can reply.
Sister, You assume to much, I know the Bible, I don't know you, so I cannot say if you know it or not but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, it's the least I can do.
Preisthood, hmmm, Should I tell you? Is there any reason why I should tell you where I am going?
Will it serve any purpose, knowing where I will be going to be a priest? - NO
Sorry, but telling you that serves no purpose?
It is beyond the realm of reasonable questioning.
I do not say that I will not ever tell you but I don't want to at this moment because I know you not.
An Important Quesion - Muslimah - 06-04-2003
Matter of fact Whisper if u call what you are saying valid points then what lack of focus looks like. Sobhan Allah you seem to argue just for the sake of argument. Also we are gratefull to Allah Who brought you here. Being here and raising points, to which with Allah's guidance we make valid answers but you fail to or don't want to see, makes us praise Allah the Only One Deity for giving us the light and allowing us to study and learn more. And no Whisper no one of us avoids answering you fearing of contradiction of our religion. I suggest that you pls reread Purgetroy's reply to u. He made valid points to u unless you also fail to see them. As far as locking topics or editing posts, I think by registering to the forum, you must abide by the rules which were made clear. If you don't accept them, it is your problem not ours. We never invited you in any way. You came on board willingly.
An Important Quesion - Whisper - 06-04-2003
The fact of the matter is that you have edited my posts and you have already closed a topic, not allowing me the opportunity to answer the questions posed.
Your response above is so watered down and tired, just like other replys in the past that all you can do is avoid my strong questions by dancing around them or by simply doing what you do best, when in doubt, edit posts and close topics.
Am I surprised? - No