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Liberal Muslims - John 3:16 - 10-16-2003

What do you think of these Muslims who do not seem to be but are compromising much of what is in your holy book. Ever since 9/11, there seems to be a surge in these groups of liberal thinking, the modifcation of your religion so as to modernise it and I'm not talking about a cosmetic touch here and there, but instead the beginning of more splits in your religion of which there are already a good few except that this split will be akin to the Catholic Church and the many Protestant Churches divide.

Liberal Muslims - Muslimah - 10-16-2003

sorry but I don't see your point, do u have one?????

Liberal Muslims - Guest - 10-16-2003

Quote:Originally posted by Muslimah sorry but I don't see your point, do u have one?????

Well, like me John is asking (albeit antagonistic) what your thoughts are on moderate Islam and reform.

There is, to me anyway, a very visible divide in the Islamic world coming about between moderate and radical Islam. If Islam is to survice and prosper outside of the 3rd world regions of the world, it would seem that it will have to moderate some of its radical elements, such as some of the "laws" contained in Sharia.

So, can you provide some input on these points ?

Liberal Muslims - John 3:16 - 10-16-2003

Would I be right in saying that Muslims must compromise their beliefs and what they are taught, those of which are in the Qur'an and the Haidth in order to modernise, isn't it a double edged sword?

I believe there is quite an obvious split and it is between the conservative Muslims and liberal Muslims, this split will get wider as democracy is introduced eventually throughout the middle east and other Muslim dominated countries. As the generations go by, parents will be less strict and liberal thinking will flourish.

Do you agree with me that this will happen?

Liberal Muslims - Guest - 10-16-2003

I don't know if you want my opinion but I will give it ! [Image: biggrin.gif]

I doubt you will get much response from contributors here anyway :confused:

It has to be reformed but the radicals are going to fight it and it is going to get ugly in certain parts of the world. All religions have gone through some kinds of reform throughout the years and Islam is way overdue for it. Western society will eventually impact Islamic thought in such a way that a more moderate Islam will be the result.

Liberal Muslims - John 3:16 - 10-16-2003

Christianity (I hope I don't offend anyone) is ahead of the game in a sense, everything that has hit Christianity especially over the last two hundred years (Charles Darwin etc) is now muddying the waters of Islam, democracy opens up every door and this of course is a good and bad thing.

I believe that Islam is now only walking that long road whereas Christianity has adapted and addressed nearly all arguements, you only have to look at the Answers In Genesis site, it's a creationist site that deals with evolution, in any way, a Muslim speaker in Turkey is using material, superb material, built up over many decades in this fight of Evolution V Creation, the Muslim man has even realised a book but 95% of his material comes from Christian sources, that's because we are so used to dealing with atheist arguements. Christianity has been prepared for a long time now in how to deal with this everchanging world because at first we were sloppy in our approach and lost ground to atheists, of course Muslims will now have to combat this themselves in the long run. That's why I feel that Islam is from now on walking on rough ground, the Qur'an will over the next few years, as moderates are seen to be in the majority, be questioned and even ridiculed, the Bible has been hit at from every side and has won over, the Qur'an has yet to feel the liberal extreme left wing world- wide punch.

Please comment on what I've said above, if you agree or disgree.

Liberal Muslims - Guest - 10-16-2003

Hmmm, well I think your views on Islam are not too far away from mine. Although, your comparison to Christianity makes you sound like "my religion is better than your religion" I don't know if that was intentional but I suspect it was. But you are right, Christianity is better placed to appeal for the modern society than previously. It has a better "marketing appeal" to Western culture perhaps since the inclusion of gays and women the attitude towards contraception etc. But fundamentalists exist everywhere and they are sure to raise their heads.

Liberal Muslims - John 3:16 - 10-16-2003

Is a fundamentalist Muslim a true Muslim?, in that, I mean, if they are practising what they read in the Qur'an, is this not the duty of a Muslim? If the actual defining feature of the Qur'an in today's world is seen to be extreme, is it not best if one is to adhere to such principals, that one does follow such fundamentally even if it is not agreeable in today's world.

Liberal Muslims - AhmedSyed - 10-16-2003

Quote:Originally posted by HabibHibee I don't know if you want my opinion but I will give it ! I doubt you will get much response from contributors here anyway :confused: 

It has to be reformed but the radicals are going to fight it and it is going to get ugly in certain parts of the world. All religions have gone through some kinds of reform throughout the years and Islam is way overdue for it. Western society will eventually impact Islamic thought in such a way that a more moderate Islam will be the result.

Overdue for reform??

Im sorry but I don't think Islam is going to change one bit.

Quote:Western society will eventually impact Islamic thought in such a way that a more moderate Islam will be the result.

No such thing as "radical" Islam, or "modern" Islam. There is Islam, either you follow or you don't.

Quote:Is a fundamentalist Muslim a true Muslim?, in that, I mean, if they are practising what they read in the Qur'an, is this not the duty of a Muslim?

If it is in the Quran, and they follow it in the correct manner, they are being a good muslim, the Quran leads us to the straight path, not astray.

Quote:a Muslim speaker in Turkey is using material, superb material, built up over many decades in this fight of Evolution V Creation, the Muslim man has even realised a book but 95% of his material comes from Christian sources, that's because we are so used to dealing with atheist arguements.

Are you speaking of Yahya Harun? He is a great writer, but most of his material deals with why Darwinism is bad to society.

Quote:That's why I feel that Islam is from now on walking on rough ground, the Qur'an will over the next few years, as moderates are seen to be in the majority, be questioned and even ridiculed,

No way man. The Quran will be the Quran, never can man alter its words. The muslims will change, but the true muslims will always hold faith. The Quran is such an easy book to understand, if you just take the time to understand it.

Liberal Muslims - Guest - 10-16-2003

Quote:Originally posted by AhmedSyed Overdue for reform??

Im sorry but I don't think Islam is going to change one bit.

First of all, thanks for your response.

I think the situation in Iran would point otherwise. Sure, it won't happen over night but there are changes coming.

Quote:Originally posted by AhmedSyed 

No such thing as \"radical\" Islam, or \"modern\" Islam. There is Islam, either you follow or you don't.

So the guys that bombed the bali night club killing 202 people, what was this ? just Islamic high jinks by misunderstood devout religious people ? If there is no radical Islam and this is "Islam", then there are going to be problems.

Quote:Originally posted by AhmedSyed 

If it is in the Quran, and they follow it in the correct manner, they are being a good muslim, the Quran leads us to the straight path, not astray.

No way man. The Quran will be the Quran, never can man alter its words. The muslims will change, but the true muslims will always hold faith. The Quran is such an easy book to understand, if you just take the time to understand it.

The correct manner ? There is no correct manner. Similar to the bible it is full of contradictions.

Plus, you have just divided the muslims in two, the "true" muslims and what's left of muslims. i.e. radical and moderate.