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Validity of the Noble Quran - Muslimah - 11-03-2003
In the Name of Allah and in Him we seek assistance, and the praise is due to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. "Glory be to You, we have no knowledge except what you have taught us. Verily, it is You, the All-Knower, the All-Wise." Quran 2: 32 (. Al-Baqarah) and peace and prayer be upon Mohamed the messenger. As we cite in our work from the Quran a lot, we saw that it could be of major help to our non Muslim members to present (with Allah’s will) a research on the validity of the Noble Quran and Prophecy of Mohamed (SAW). Of course in this research we will not be able to cover or identify all the points of relevance. Since no human being is able to make a comprehensive research on any given point raised regarding the Quran. We just try to initiate a study which could serve as a springboard for everybody to embark on more detailed work.
In the following I’ll quote several verses of the Holy Quran and keep the comment until the end:
“O Messenger (Muhammad SAW)! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people
who disbelieve” Quran 5. 67 (Al-Mâ'idah).
“It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'ân) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it.
And he sent down the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)” Quran 3: 3 (آl-'Imrân)
Allah also stresses the humanity of the prophet by saying:
“Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe." Quran 7.188(Al-A'râf).
“Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful” Quran 3: 144 (آl-'Imrân)
“Verily, you (O Muhammad SAW) will die and verily, they (too) will die.” Quran39:30 (Az-Zumar).
“And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad SAW), then if you die, would they live forever?” Quran 21: 34 (Al-Anbiyâ').
In the following a number of verses that contain blame and instructions:
“Verily, they were about to tempt you away from that which We have revealed (the Qur'ân) unto you (O Muhammad SAW), to fabricate something other than it against Us, and then they would certainly have taken you a friend! And had We not made you stand firm, you would nearly have inclined to them a little. In that case, We would have made you taste a double portion (of punishment) in this life and a double portion (of punishment) after death. And then you would have found none to help you against Us.” Quran 17 :73-75 (Al-Isrâ').
“That this is verily the word of an honoured Messenger [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel) or Muhammad SAW which he has brought from Allah]. It is not the word of a poet; little is that you believe! Nor is it the word of a soothsayer (or a foreteller), little is that you remember! This is the Revelation sent down from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists). And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah swt), We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta), And none of you could withhold Us from (punishing) him” Quran 69:40-47 (Al-Hâqqah).
“The Prophet (Peace be upon him)) frowned and turned away, because there came to him the blind man (i.e. 'Abdullâh bin Umm-Maktûm, who came to the Prophet (Peace be upon him) while he was preaching to one or some of the Quraish chiefs).
But what could tell you that per chance he might become pure (from sins)? Or that he might receive admonition, and that the admonition might Prophet him? As for him who thinks himself self-sufficient, To him you attend; What does it matter to you if he will not become pure (from disbelief, you are only a Messenger, your duty is to convey the Message of Allah). But as to him who came to you running. And is afraid (of Allah and His Punishment), Of him you are neglectful and divert your attention to another, Nay, (do not do like this), indeed it (these Verses of this Qur'ân) are an admonition” Quran 80: 1-11 ('Abasa)
“And never say of anything, "I shall do such and such thing tomorrow." Except (with the saying), "If Allah will!" And remember your Lord when you forget and say: "It may be that my Lord guides me unto a nearer way of truth than this." Quran 18: 23-24 (Al-Kahf)
“And they ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning the Rûh (the Spirit); Say: "The Rûh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little." Quran 17: 85 (Al-Isrâ')
With a simple analysis of the last two verses, considering the occasion of their revelation, you will find that Jewish rabbis decided to challenge Prophet Mohamed’s (prayer and peace be upon him) position in order to verify whether or not he was the last messenger mentioned in their Torah. They urged people from Quraish to carry three questions, which he had to answer. They asked him about the soul, and a group of men who took refuge in a cave due to their faith during the reign of a tyrant king, and Dhul-Qarnain (One who has two horns). He very confidently told them that he would provide a reply the next day being sure that he will receive the correct answer down by Gabriel. However, opposite to his expectation Allah gave him a lesson for not referring the action to Allah’s will and the revelation stopped for about 15 days. That is when people of Quraish (his tribe) who refused to follow him said that Mohamed’s God abandoned him (now they admitted that God is there). At that time the following verses were revealed “By the forenoon (after sun-rise); And by the night when it is still (or darkens); Your Lord (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him) has neither forsaken you nor hated you” Quran 93: 1-3 (Ad-Duha) along with the verse 18:23-24 and then the explanation of the soul included in 17: 85 (Al-Isrâ').
Even when he provided an answer about the soul he did not explain but rather admitted that no one has this knowledge except Allah. If Quran were from his composition, at least he would have tried to forge an explanation in order to prove full knowledge. Furthermore, Quran affirmed that mankind has but less knowledge. While the reply about the other two points (men of the cave and Dhul-Qarnain) were included in Surat Al –Kahf which will be mentioned later.
“Do they not then consider the Qur'ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions” Quran 4: 82 (An-Nisâ')
“So perchance you (Muhammad SAW) may give up a part of what is revealed unto you, and that your breast feels straitened for it because they say, "Why has not a treasure been sent down unto him, or an angel has come with him?"
But you are only a warner. And Allah is a Wakîl (Disposer of affairs, Trustee, Guardian, etc.) over all things” Quran11:12 (Hûd).
From the above-mentioned verses one could conclude that Prophet Mohamed (prayer and peace be upon him) did not call for personal credit or glory. He was instructed by Allah to declare himself as a messenger who possesses no special power or authority. Quran also confirmed that his duty is restricted on transmitting the message as exactly received. In the verses under the blame and instructions paragraph, Allah addresses the prophet in a very strong and threatening language which if the Quran was the Prophet’s creation would have avoided in order to shadow himself as God as some people in the West claim. Also in Surat Abasa the verse narrates a certain occasion due to which Allah blamed the prophet SAW. Prophet Mohamed (SAW) did not wish to attain personal credit or at least he would have skipped such situation and similar others in which Allah seriously blamed or instructed him.
Quran included several stories from the past as well as numerous future incidents. Neither of them the Prophet (SAW) had any knowledge about. As an example of the future incidents:
“And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) on the earth]. We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations).[Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol. 10, Page 338]” Quran 17: 104 Al-Isrâ'. This presents the current situation-taking place in Israel when the Jews from all over the world began to immigrate last of Which Russian immigrant number million landed in Israel. How could Mohamed (SAW) expect this in details.
“The Romans have been defeated. In the nearer land (Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of Romans by the Persians, and after, i.e. the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that Day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persians),With the help of Allah, He helps whom He wills, and He is the All_Mighty, the Most Merciful” Quran30: 2-5 Ar_Rûm
So Quran foretold two incidents one which took place after 6 years while the other after almost 1420 years.
“O assembly of jinn and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allah)!” Quran 55: 33 (Ar-Rahmân).
This is an indication for the space discovery included in the Holy Quran 1420 years ago.
“Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge) (and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman).Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators” Quran 23:14 (Al-Mu'minûn).
In this the development of an embryo is clearly described as discovered by modern scientists.
While in Surat (Al-Masad) “Perish the two hands of Abû Lahab (an uncle of the Prophet), and perish he! His wealth and his children (etc.) will not benefit him!
He will be burnt in a Fire of blazing flames! And his wife too, who carries wood (thorns of Sadan which she used to put on the way of the Prophet (Peace be upon him), or use to slander him) .In her neck is a twisted rope of Masad (palm fiber)” Quran111.
How could the prophet (SAW) predict that his uncle will continue to be a non- believer even after the revelation of this Surat? It did not occur to Abu Lahab even to try and prove the falsification of Mohamed’s (SAW) religion by declaring himself as a Moslem in order to nullify the Surat.
Stories from the past were also included; taking in consideration that Mohamed (SAW) was illiterate and never attended teachings with any scholar. I can incorporate numerous verses, however, only a sample will be presented:
“Do you think that the people of the Cave and the Inscription (the news or the names of the people of the Cave) were a wonder among Our Signs? (Remember) when the young men fled for refuge (from their disbelieving folk) to the Cave, they said: "Our Lord! Bestow on us mercy from Yourself, and facilitate for us our affair in the right way! Therefore We covered up their (sense of) hearing (causing them, to go in deep sleep) in the Cave for a number of years.
Then We raised them up (from their sleep), that We might test which of the two parties was best at calculating the time period that they had tarried.
We narrate unto you (O Muhammad SAW) their story with truth: Truly! They were young men who believed in their Lord (Allah), and We increased them in guidance.
And We made their hearts firm and strong (with the light of Faith in Allah and bestowed upon them patience to bear the separation of their kith and kin and dwellings, etc.) when they stood up and said: "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens
and the earth, never shall we call upon any ilâh (god) other than Him; if we did, we should indeed have uttered an enormity in disbelief.
These our people have taken for worship âliha (gods) other than Him (Allah). Why do they not bring for them a clear authority? And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah.
(The young men said to one another): "And when you withdraw from them, and that which they worship, except Allah, then seek refuge in the Cave, your Lord will open a way for you from His Mercy and will make easy for you your affair (i.e. will give you what you will need of provision, dwelling, etc.)."
And you might have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the midst of the Cave. That is (one) of the Ayât (proofs, evidences, signs) of Allah. He whom Allah guides, is rightly guided; but he whom He sends astray, for him you will find no Walî (guiding friend) to lead him (to the right Path). And you would have thought them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them on their right and on their left sides, and their dog stretching forth his two forelegs at the entrance [of the Cave or in the space near to the entrance of the Cave (as a guard at the gate)]. Had you looked at them, you would certainly have turned back from them in flight, and would certainly have been filled with awe of them.
Likewise, We awakened them (from their long deep sleep) that they might question one another. A speaker from among them said: "How long have you stayed (here)?" They said: "We have stayed (perhaps) a day or part of a day." They said: "Your Lord (Alone) knows best how long you have stayed (here). So send one of you with this silver coin of yours to the town, and let him find out which is the good lawful food, and bring some of that to you. And let him be careful and let no man know of you.
"For if they come to know of you, they will stone you (to death or abuse and harm you) or turn you back to their religion, and in that case you will never be successful." And thus We made their case known to the people, that they might know that the Promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour. (Remember) when they (the people of the city) disputed among themselves about their case, they said: "Construct a building over them, their Lord knows best about them," (then) those who won their point said (most probably the disbelievers): "We verily shall build a place of worship over them." (Some) say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth, guessing at the unseen; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "My Lord knows best their number; none knows them but a few." So debate not (about their number, etc.) except with the clear proof (which We have revealed to you). And consult not any of them (people of the Scripture, Jews and Christians) about (the affair of) the people of the Cave. And never say of anything, "I shall do such and such thing tomorrow." Except (with the saying), "If Allah will!" And remember your Lord when you forget and say: "It may be that my Lord guides me unto a nearer way of truth than this." And they stayed in their Cave three hundred (solar) years, and add nine (for lunar years).
Say: "Allah knows best how long they stayed. With Him is (the knowledge of) the unseen of the heavens and the earth. How clearly He sees, and hears (everything)! They have no Walî (Helper, Disposer of affairs, Protector, etc.) other than Him, and He makes none to share in His Decision and His Rule." Quran18: 9-26 (Al-Kahf).
“And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: "I shall recite to you something of his story. Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness." He said: "As for him (a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah) who does wrong, we shall punish him; and then he will be brought back unto his Lord; Who will punish him with a terrible torment (Hell). "But as for him who believes (in Allah's Oneness) and works righteousness, he shall have the best reward, (Paradise), and we (Dhul-Qarnain) shall speak unto him mild words (as instructions)." Then he followed another way, Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allah) had provided no shelter against the sun. So (it was)! And We knew all about him (Dhul-Qarnain).
Then he followed (another) way, Until, when he reached between two mountains, he found, before (near) them (those two mountains), a people who scarcely understood a word.
They said: "O Dhul-Qarnain! Verily! Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog)[] are doing great mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute in order that you might erect a barrier between us and them?" He said: "That (wealth, authority and power) in which my Lord had established me is better (than your tribute). So help me with strength (of men), I will erect between you and them a barrier. "Give me pieces (blocks) of iron," then, when he had filled up the gap between the two mountain-cliffs, he said: "Blow”, till when he had made it (red as) fire, he said: "Bring me molten copper to pour over it."
So they [Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog)] were made powerless to scale it or dig through it. Dhul-Qarnain) said: "This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the Promise of my Lord comes, He shall level it down to the ground. And the Promise of my Lord is ever true." Quran 18: 83-98 (Al – Kahf).
Conclusion:
“Neither did you (O Muhammad SAW) read any book before it (this Qur'ân), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand. In that case, indeed, the followers of falsehood might have doubted”. Quran 29:48 (Al-'Ankabût)
“They (the Jews, Quraish pagans, idolaters, etc.) did not estimate Allâh with an estimation due to Him when they said: "Nothing did Allâh send down to any human being (by inspiration)." Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Who then sent down the Book which Mûsa (Moses) brought, a light and a guidance to mankind which you (the Jews) have made into (separate) papersheets, disclosing (some of it) and concealing (much). And you (believers in Allâh and His Messenger Muhammad SAW), were taught (through the Qur'ân) that which neither you nor your fathers knew." Say: "Allâh (sent it down)." Then leave them to play in their vain discussions” Quran 6: 91 (Al-An'âm).
Praise be to Allah and Prayer and peace be upon His Messenger Mohamed
Validity of the Noble Quran - Dan - 11-04-2003
Bismillah
As salam alaikum
When I first started reading the Qur'an, I was struck by how the prophets that I knew were discussed at great length, especially Moses and Jesus. These two prophets are talked about more than Muhammad in the Qur'an. I thought how odd it would be for someone who was trying to invent a new religion to include and praise other people's prophets so much. I thought it was odd especially since, the prophet would have had more powerful followers quicker if he praised the idols of the Quraish. If Muhammad made up the Qur'an, which I later discovered to be impossible, why would he choose the Abrahamic faiths to pattern his religion after if so few of these people were actually in the area.
I also like the point that my sister mentioned about Muhammad recieving admontion from Allah in the Qur'an. And he had to tell on himself! Would any of us be able to tell others the verses that talked about our mistakes? Yet Rasul-Ullah did it without hesitation in order to fulfill his prophethood and out of fear of Allah's punishment. As was mentioned, Muhammad was not exempt from hellfire if he did not do what was necessary of him.
That is another thing I love about our prophet. He actually deserves the place he is in. He struggled, fought, was patient, charitable, kind, the list goes on. Examining his life, one sees what a truly special man he was.
Jazak Allah Okhti for your perserverance in educating and informing.
As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Validity of the Noble Quran - Muslimah - 11-05-2003
wa Alykom as salam
wa iyakum akhi wa iyakum for all the dua u made, and it is all from Allah and to Allah, I claim no credit.
And about our beloved Prophet, it is true, he encountered in his life all what any human being may encounter and never even expressed tiresome.
While we just freek out for the tiniest problem. May Allah lift the trials off all Muslim ummah and treat u through His pardon and not with our deeds.
Validity of the Noble Quran - Guest - 11-05-2003
I still see nothing divine in any of this.:confused:
But whatever floats your boat !
Validity of the Noble Quran - Muslimah - 11-05-2003
wear your reading glasses
Validity of the Noble Quran - Guest - 11-05-2003
Sorry but it is no more valid than the warranty on a cheap watch. :confused:
Can you just highlight something in there that maybe I am missing ? :confused:
I guess I just don't get religion at all.
:eek:
Validity of the Noble Quran - Aqilah - 11-06-2003
for sure U live U Ar going to die. and where do U think U might go?
Where did the trees, and the water come from? and Allah knew what U would do and think before U came out of Ur mother.
How cheap is the watch on Ur arm when it burns around Ur skin over and over again? and U ar asked by the angles"who Is Ur lord"? What is Ur faith, and who is Ur prophet> what then, and U have been warned.
Read and Read it Again. And again! U have been warned.
Sister Haneefah
Quote:<i>Originally posted by HabibHibee </i><b>Sorry but it is no more valid than the warranty on a cheap watch. :confused: </b>
Can you just highlight something in there that maybe I am missing ? :confused:
I guess I just don't get religion at all.
:eek:
Validity of the Noble Quran - Guest - 11-06-2003
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Aqilah </i><b>for sure U live U Ar going to die. </b>Well, this much we agree on so it is a start.
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Aqilah </i><b></b>and where do U think U might go?So I am supposed to be scared of the boogey man ? I don't get it sister. I have no idea what happens and I am very sceptical of the ramblings of religion.
Where did the trees, and the water come from? and Allah knew what U would do and think before U came out of Ur mother.
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Aqilah </i><b></b>How cheap is the watch on Ur arm when it burns around Ur skin over and over again?At least I will know how long I have spent in hell if the watch works.
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Aqilah </i><b>and U ar asked by the angles\"who Is Ur lord\"? What is Ur faith, and who is Ur prophet> what then, and U have been warned. </b>Read and Read it Again. And again! U have been warned.angles ? I think you mean Angels.
Sister Haneefah
As for my faith, I haven't found one yet. But I have pretty much ruled out Islam. It was on the short list but for reasons I won't go into here, I will not be joining you.
Validity of the Noble Quran - Dan - 11-06-2003
Bismillah
"As for my faith, I haven't found one yet. But I have pretty much ruled out Islam. It was on the short list but for reasons I won't go into here, I will not be joining you."
I am sorry to hear that. I ask Allah to forgive me if it is due to my shortcomings at explaining Islam. Believe me. I am not able to give the answers I would like if I had an Islamic education.
A man once said he did not believe in god. A religious man replied, "I do not believe in the god that you do not believe in either."
I basically feel that I have failed in representing Islam in a manner that befits it. If you had my perspective and knowledge I truly believe that you would like Islam. The highly inquisitive and reflective usually do. I also believe that if I had the information and perspective that you have then I would probably feel the same as you.
I ask Allah to forgive me for failing to represent Islam as the True Reality, the Light of Direction, the Truth for you. I also ask you to forgive me for all the harshness and rudeness that I have shown to you. This is no way helps anything and is also a pretty immature way to deal with issues.
I respect your decision because at least you asked questions and inquired about answers instead of just following the way of others because it is the easiest thing to do. Please do remember though that the only perfect human example for Islam died over fourteen hundred years ago. I know that I definitely make mistakes but it does not mean that Islam is mistaken.
Whatever religion or spirituality that you pursue (if any), I only hope that you will look further into it than the Internet before making a final decision. It is a resource but can be pretty flimsy at times. Check out the relgions literature or talk to a person educated in the religion before committing.
You have said that this is mostly a hobby anyway, but I just wanted to express my frustration and disappointment at myself for your decision.
Once again Insha'Allah I will be forgiven for my shortcoming in representing Islam. I also wish for you to accept my apology for my behavior as well.
Peace.
Validity of the Noble Quran - Guest - 11-06-2003
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b>Bismillah</b>No, things were pretty well explained by yourself and others. Islam is just not the answer to what ails the world or humanity. It badly needs reform.
\"As for my faith, I haven't found one yet. But I have pretty much ruled out Islam. It was on the short list but for reasons I won't go into here, I will not be joining you.\"
I am sorry to hear that. I ask Allah to forgive me if it is due to my shortcomings at explaining Islam. Believe me. I am not able to give the answers I would like if I had an Islamic education.
A man once said he did not believe in god. A religious man replied, \"I do not believe in the god that you do not believe in either.\"
I basically feel that I have failed in representing Islam in a manner that befits it. If you had my perspective and knowledge I truly believe that you would like Islam. The highly inquisitive and reflective usually do. I also believe that if I had the information and perspective that you have then I would probably feel the same as you.
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b></b>I don't find you rude at all Dan. I'm sure Allah will forgive you.
I ask Allah to forgive me for failing to represent Islam as the True Reality, the Light of Direction, the Truth for you. I also ask you to forgive me for all the harshness and rudeness that I have shown to you. This is no way helps anything and is also a pretty immature way to deal with issues.
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b></b>Now here is where I really beg to differ about the prophet. I just don't think he is the "perfect" guy that Muslims hold him up to be.
I respect your decision because at least you asked questions and inquired about answers instead of just following the way of others because it is the easiest thing to do. Please do remember though that the only perfect human example for Islam died over fourteen hundred years ago. I know that I definitely make mistakes but it does not mean that Islam is mistaken.
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b></b>I already had a rough idea of what Islam was, some preconceptions I had were wrong and unfortunately some of them were correct, particularly where it comes to sex, treatment for non muslims in muslim majority countries, treatment of women and human rights in general.
Whatever religion or spirituality that you pursue (if any), I only hope that you will look further into it than the Internet before making a final decision. It is a resource but can be pretty flimsy at times. Check out the relgions literature or talk to a person educated in the religion before committing.
You have said that this is mostly a hobby anyway, but I just wanted to express my frustration and disappointment at myself for your decision.
Once again Insha'Allah I will be forgiven for my shortcoming in representing Islam. I also wish for you to accept my apology for my behavior as well.
Peace.
But anyways, thanks for your contribution and peace be with you.