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Living amongst the Kuffaar - Abu Dujanah - 01-23-2004
al-Haafidh Ibn Hajar al-3asqalaanee (died 852 AH) said in Fath al-Baaree in the explanation of the Hadeeth of the Prophet (Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam): “If Allaah sends a punishment upon a people, that punishment will strike whoever was amongst them then they will be resurrected upon their actions.”
He (Ibn Hajar) said:“From what is derived and benefited from this is the permissibility of fleeing from the Kuffaar and the oppressors. This is because dwelling among them is a form of throwing one’s self into destruction. This is if he does not assist them or become pleased with their actions for if he assisted or was pleased then he is from them.” [Fath al-Baaree (13/61)]
Allaah Ta3aalaa Says (~translation), {And spend in the way of Allaah and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction.} [soorah al-Baqarah v. 195]
Living amongst the Kuffaar - naseeha - 01-26-2004
I fully agree with what you say abu however can you advise me on living in a western country...
is this considered <b>"form of throwing one’s self into destruction"</b> or does this dwelling refer to your community...
please advise me..
jazakallah khair
Living amongst the Kuffaar - Ahlam - 01-29-2004
Salamu 'alaikum brother,
If you are a true Muslim Believer and sure of your faith, which I think you are, then living among the non believers won't harm you. On the contrary, whoever have a strong faith and good knowledge of Islam, this will be a great opportunity for you for Da'wah. You should look at the non believers with the eye of mercy because they are ignorant of the Truth, and you must look at yourself as responsible to save them. Your good behaviour towards them, helping those in need of help, your smile and good word, all these could be a means of guiding them to the right path.
I believe those whose faith is not really strong and their knowledge about Islam is really poor, so it's better for them not to live and befriend the non believers because certainly they are going to affect them and thus leading them astray.
I will say to those who have strong faith and good knowledge of Islam and living among the non belivers: <b>"You have a great chance for da'wah and thus for a great reward if you guide even one person. You must have pity for the non belivers because they don't know the truth. So why don't you Yourself show them that truth?"</b>
Even your good morals and your smile could be a way of Da'wah, to bring their attention to Islam.
May Allah be pleased with us and guide us all to His right path!! Ameen
Salam
Your sister in Islam Ahlam
Living amongst the Kuffaar - Muslimah - 01-29-2004
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Ahlam </i><b>Salamu 'alaikum brother,</b>as salam alykom Ahlam
I will say to those who have strong faith and good knowledge of Islam and living among the non belivers: \"You have a great chance for da'wah and thus for a great reward if you guide even one person. You must have pity for the non belivers because they don't know the truth. So why don't you Yourself show them that truth?\"
Even your good morals and your smile could be a way of Da'wah, to bring their attention to Islam.
May Allah be pleased with us and guide us all to His right path!! Ameen
Salam
Your sister in Islam Ahlam
i fully agree with u, more over, look at the our late predecessors who were able to spread Islam in Asia while they were trading.
Living amongst the Kuffaar - UmmHabibah - 01-29-2004
Assalam aleikum
Ahlam said:
Quote:If you are a true Muslim Believer and sure of your faith, which I think you are, then living among the non believers won't harm you. On the contrary, whoever have a strong faith and good knowledge of Islam, this will be a great opportunity for you for Da'wah.So then why does Allah subahan wa tala tell us to make hijrah?
The Prophet sws said: Whoever joins the disbelievers and lives amongst them is one of them.
Abu Dawud Kitab al Jihad Vol 3/224
Albani classifies it as hassan in Sahih al-Jami as-Sagheer.
Also, he sws said: Dont live with the disbelievers or join in with them, whoever lives with them or joins in with them is not of us.
Al hakim Al Mustadrak Vol2/141
So how can you state that there is no harm living amongst the disbelievers?
Can you brother bring any daleel to back your statement?
Sister Muslimah there is a difference between trading and living amongst the kuffar.
Salam
Living amongst the Kuffaar - Ahlam - 01-30-2004
Salamu 'alaikum sister Ummhabibah,
You shouldn't forget my sister that one of our duties is to make da'wah, to call others to the Islam. So if everybody of us make hijrah, then who is going to spread the word of truth in the non Muslim countries ???
I said and I will say again that those who have poor knowledge of Islam and fear fitnah it's better for them not to stay with the non believers.
Don't you know that Abu Hurayrah, Abu Dhar al-ghifari (RA) and many other Sahabah were ordered by our dear Prophet peace be upon him, after they embraced Islam, to go back to their NON BELIEVERS tribes and live with them to make Da'wah.
Our dear Prophet sws and sahabah made the Hijrah because the sahabah RA could no more endure the hardships and the torments they were undergoing, the torments were so great. So it was better for them to make Hijrah, to practice their religion as they want.
You must also bear in mind that the sahabah RA went to many Futuhat to spread the word of Allah and many of them stayed in those countries to call for Islam.
So if the Muslims who live in the non Muslim countries COULD NOT practice their religion freely and are undergoing hardships so IN THAT CASE it's bettter for them to leave that country and live with Muslims.
Sister, you could not imagine the efforts many good Muslims are doing in spreading the word of Truth "La ilaha illa LAh Muhammad Rasulu LAh" in the non Muslim countries. Could you imagine what a great reward are they going to have? It's very possible that they couldn't have that great reward if they are living amongst Muslims.
May Allah guide us to what is best for us and may be please with us!!
Salam
Your sister Ahlam
Living amongst the Kuffaar - Muslimah - 01-30-2004
as salam alykom Ahlam
again Mash a Allah, well said and explained
Umm, I was just being brief, they started by doing trade, they became role model to many who embraced Islam, they stayed behind and became part of the community.
Living amongst the Kuffaar - UmmHabibah - 01-31-2004
Assalam aleikum sister
Ahlan said
Quote:Don't you know that Abu Hurayrah, Abu Dhar al-ghifari (RA) and many other Sahabah were ordered by our dear Prophet peace be upon him, after they embraced Islam, to go back to their NON BELIEVERS tribes and live with them to make Da'wah.Sister we have to distinguish between the Meccan period and what followed after the hijrah.
In the early days of Islam physical migration was recommended but not required. As Allah tala says:
<b>Who ever migrates for the sake of Allah will find refuge and great bounty on earth. An Nisa 100.</b>
This was revealed when the pagan persecution of the Muslims in Mecca was on the rise, after the Prophet has left for Medina. But after this they were subsequently commanded to follow him.
Quote:Our dear Prophet sws and sahabah made the Hijrah because the sahabah RA could no more endure the hardships and the torments they were undergoing, the torments were so great. So it was better for them to make Hijrah, to practice their religion as they want.If hijrah is not obligatory for all times, then please tell me sister what are we to do with this hadith?
<b>The Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wasallam said; I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays amongst the polytheists. They asked why Apostle of Allah? He sallallaahu alayhi wasallam said their fires should not be visible to one another. And he sallallaahu alayhi wasallam said Who joins the polytheists and lives with them then he is like them. And he sallallaahu alayhi wasallam said Migration will not end until repentance ends, and repentance will not end until the rises in the west. </b>
Al musnad vol4/99. Abu Dawood kitab al jihad vol 2/239. And ad Darmi kitab al siyyar vol 2/239 Albani classes it as sahih.
I'm certainly not disputing that dawa'a is an excellent act and one for which the ajr is enormous. My point is with your original statement.
Quote:If you are a true Muslim Believer and sure of your faith, which I think you are, then living among the non believers won't harm you.How can you say this? The harms that come from residing in the land of kufr is huge. SubhanAllah.
Allah subhana wa tala informs us that the Muslims who where forced to go out with the mushrikeen at the battle of badr died in kufr. And their excuse of oppression was not accepted by Allah tala as they could have migrated.
And this ayat refers to those who remained behind in Mecca:
[إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفَّـهُمُ الْمَلَـئِكَةُ ظَـلِمِى أَنفُسِهِمْ قَالُواْ فِيمَ كُنتُمْ قَالُواْ كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِى الاٌّرْضِ قَالْواْ أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ اللَّهِ وَسِعَةً فَتُهَـجِرُواْ فِيهَا فَأُوْلَـئِكَ مَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ وَسَآءَتْ مَصِيراً - إِلاَّ الْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ وَالنِّسَآءِ وَالْوِلْدَنِ لاَ يَسْتَطِيعُونَ حِيلَةً وَلاَ يَهْتَدُونَ سَبِيلاً - فَأُوْلَـئِكَ عَسَى اللَّهُ أَن يَعْفُوَ عَنْهُمْ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَفُوّاً غَفُوراً - وَمَن يُهَاجِرْ فِى سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ يَجِدْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ مُرَاغَماً كَثِيراً وَسَعَةً وَمَن يَخْرُجْ مِن بَيْتِهِ مُهَـجِراً إِلَى اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ يُدْرِكْهُ الْمَوْتُ فَقَدْ وَقَعَ أَجْرُهُ عَلىَ اللَّهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُوراً رَّحِيماً ]
(97. Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves, they (angels) say (to them): "In what (condition) were you'' They reply: "We were weak and oppressed on the earth.'' They (angels) say: "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein'' Such men will find their abode in Hell - what an evil destination!) (98. Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way.) (99. These are they whom Allah is likely to forgive them, and Allah is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving.) (100. He who emigrates in the cause of Allah, will find on earth many dwelling places and plenty to live by. And whosoever leaves his home as an emigrant unto Allah and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward is then surely incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)
<b>Tafseer of Ibn Katheer.</b>
The Prohibition of Residing Among the Disbelievers While Able to Emigrate
Al-Bukhari recorded that Muhammad bin `Abdur-Rahman, Abu Al-Aswad, said, "The people of Al-Madinah were forced to prepare an army (to fight against the people of Ash-Sham during the Khilafah of Abdullah bin Az-Zubayir at Makkah), and I was enlisted in it. Then I met `Ikrimah, the freed slave of Ibn `Abbas, and informed him (about it), and he forbade me strongly from doing so (i.e., to enlist in that army), and then he said to me, `Ibn `Abbas told me that some Muslims used to go out with the idolators increasing the size of their army against the Messenger of Allah . Then, an arrow would hit one of them and kill him, or he would be struck on his neck (with a sword) and killed, and Allah sent down the Ayah,
[إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفَّـهُمُ الْمَلَـئِكَةُ ظَـلِمِى أَنفُسِهِمْ]
(Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves).'' Ad-Dahhak stated that this Ayah was revealed about some hypocrites who did not join the Messenger of Allah but remained in Makkah and went out with the idolators for the battle of Badr. They were killed among those who were killed. Thus, this honorable Ayah was revealed about those who reside among the idolators, while able to perform Hijrah and unable to practice the faith. Such people will be committing injustice against themselves and falling into a prohibition according to the consensus and also according to this Ayah,
[إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفَّـهُمُ الْمَلَـئِكَةُ ظَـلِمِى أَنفُسِهِمْ]
(Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves,) by refraining from Hijrah,
[قَالُواْ فِيمَ كُنتُمْ]
(They (angels) say (to them): "In what (condition) were you'') meaning, why did you remain here and not perform Hijrah
[قَالُواْ كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِى الاٌّرْضِ]
(They reply: "We were weak and oppressed on the earth.'') meaning, we are unable to leave the land or move about in the earth,
[قَالْواْ أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ اللَّهِ وَسِعَةً]
(They (angels) say: "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you). Abu Dawud recorded that Samurah bin Jundub said that the Messenger of Allah said,
«مَنْ جَامَعَ الْمُشْرِكَ وَسَكَنَ مَعَهُ فَإِنَّهُ مِثْلُه»
(Whoever mingles with the idolator and resides with him, he is just like him.) Allah's statement,
[إِلاَّ الْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ]
(Except the weak) until the end of the Ayah, is an excuse that Allah gives for this type of people not to emigrate, because they are unable to free themselves from the idolators. And even if they did, they would not know which way to go. This is why Allah said,
[لاَ يَسْتَطِيعُونَ حِيلَةً وَلاَ يَهْتَدُونَ سَبِيلاً]
(Who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way), meaning, they do not find the way to emigrate, as Mujahid, `Ikrimah and As-Suddi stated. Allah's statement,
[فَأُوْلَـئِكَ عَسَى اللَّهُ أَن يَعْفُوَ عَنْهُمْ]
(These are they whom Allah is likely to forgive them,) means, pardon them for not migrating, and here, `likely' means He shall,
[وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَفُوّاً غَفُوراً]
(and Allah is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving). Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "While the Messenger of Allah was praying `Isha', he said, `Sami` Allahu Liman Hamidah.' He then said before he prostrated,
«اللَّهُمَّ أَنْجِ عَيَّاشَ بْنَ أبِي رَبِيعَةَ، اللَّهُمَّ أَنْجِ سَلَمَةَ بْنَ هِشَامٍ، اللَّهُمَّ أَنْجِ الْوَلِيدَ بْنَ الْوَلِيدِ، اللَّهُمَّ أَنْجِ الْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، اللَّهُمَّ اشْدُدْ وَطْأَتَكَ عَلَى مُضَرَ، اللَّهُمَّ اجْعَلْهَا سِنِينَ كَسِنِي يُوسُف»
(O Allah! Save `Ayyash bin Abi Rabi`ah. O Allah! Save Salamah bin Hisham. O Allah! Save Al-Walid bin Al-Walid. O Allah! Save the weak Muslims. O Allah! Be very hard on Mudar tribe. O Allah! Afflict them with years (of famine) similar to the (famine) years of the time of Prophet Yusuf.)'' Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu An-Nu`man said that Hammad bin Zayd said that Ayyub narrated that Ibn Abi Mulaykah said that Ibn `Abbas commented on the verse,
[إِلاَّ الْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ]
(Except the weak ones among men), "I and my mother were among those (weak ones) whom Allah excused.'' Allah's statement,
[وَمَن يُهَاجِرْ فِى سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ يَجِدْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ مُرَاغَماً كَثِيراً وَسَعَةً]
(He who emigrates in the cause of Allah, will find on earth many dwelling places and plenty to live by.) this encourages the believers to perform Hijrah and abandon the idolators, for wherever the believer emigrates, he will find a safe refuge to resort to. Mujahid said that,
[مُرَاغَماً كَثِيراً]
(many dwelling places) means, he will find a way out of what he dislikes. Allah's statement,
[وَسِعَةً]
(and plenty to live by.) refers to provision. Qatadah also said that,
[يَجِدْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ مُرَاغَماً كَثِيراً وَسَعَةً]
(
...will find on earth many dwelling places and plenty to live by.) means, Allah will take him from misguidance to guidance and from poverty to richness. Allah's statement,
[وَمَن يَخْرُجْ مِن بَيْتِهِ مُهَـجِراً إِلَى اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ يُدْرِكْهُ الْمَوْتُ فَقَدْ وَقَعَ أَجْرُهُ عَلىَ اللَّهِ]
(And whosoever leaves his home as an emigrant unto Allah and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward is then surely, incumbent upon Allah. ) means, whoever starts emigrating and dies on the way, he will acquire the reward of those who emigrate for Allah. The Two Sahihs, along with the Musnad and Sunan compilers, recorded that `Umar bin Al-Khattab said that the Messenger of Allah said,
«إِنَّمَا الْأَعْمَالُ بِالنِّــيَّاتِ، وَإِنَّمَا لِكُلِّ امْرِىءٍ مَا نَوَى، فَمَنْ كَانَتْ هِجْرَتُهُ إِلَى اللهِ وَرَسُولِهِ، فَهِجْرَتُهُ إِلَى اللهِ وَرَسُولِهِ، وَمَنْ كَانَتْ هِجْرَتُهُ إِلى دُنْيَا يُصِيبُهَا، أَوِ امْرَأَةٍ يَتَزَوَّجُهَا، فَهِجْرَتُهُ إِلى مَا هَاجَرَ إِلَيْه»
(The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions, and every person will be rewarded according to what he has intended. So, whoever emigrated to Allah and His Messenger, then his emigration is for Allah and His Messenger. And whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or for a woman to marry, his emigration is for what he emigrated for.)
This Hadith is general, it applies to Hijrah as well as every other deed. In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that a man killed ninety-nine people and completed the number one hundred when he killed a worshipper. He then asked a scholar if he has a chance to repent. The scholar said, "What prevents you from repentance'' <b>The scholar told the killer to emigrate from his land to another land where Allah is worshipped.</b> When he left his land and started on the migration to the other land, death overtook him on the way. The angels of mercy and the angels of torment disputed about the man, whereas the former said that he went out in repentance, while the latter said that he did not arrive at his destination. They were commanded to measure the distance between the two lands and to whichever land he is closer to, he will be considered part of that land. Allah commanded that the righteous land to move closer and the land of evil to move farther. The angels found that he died closer to the land that he intended to emigrate to by a hand-span, and thus the angels of mercy captured his soul. In another narration, when death came to that man, he moved his chest towards the righteous village that he emigrated to.
And again, we can see from this hadith the importance of removing oneself from the fitna of kufr, in order to repent.
So again i ask you my original question.
How can you tell the brother that living amonst the kufar will not harm him????
And please sister use daleel to back up what youre saying as this is NOT a topic to talk lightly about. It is such an important subject.
Muslimah said
Quote:again Mash a Allah, well said and explainedWhat has been well explained? Where is the daleel? And just to recap the discussion is NOT about dawa'a. Abu Dujanah started this thread on the topic of <b> Living amongst the kuffar </b>
wa salam
Living amongst the Kuffaar - Muslimah - 01-31-2004
we r aware that he started the thread about living among kuffar, we needed to add another aspect, but as usual Umm both of u only agree to each others opinion and see only your points . Jazaki Allah khairan
Living amongst the Kuffaar - UmmHabibah - 01-31-2004
Asslam aleikum
Quote:we r aware that he started the thread about living among kuffar, we needed to add another aspect, but as usual Umm both of u only agree to each others opinion and see only your points . Jazaki Allah khairanThis comment is unfair ukhti and this is the SECOND time you have insinuated something along these lines. The first time i let it go. But know i would like to know what exactly are you trying to say???? And be very careful of your answer.
If i agree with Abu Dujanah, it is because the brother brings daleel, which is something some of you are short on!! And he is careful when discussing Islam. You watch your words when addressing the kuffar and are not so careful when discussing Islam. You tend to speak from your emotions and this conclusion i have come to, from observing your reactions. And some are very good at diverting from the subject. Which is a big problem amongst sisters generally.
See what happens when we get personal sister Muslimah? We can all get personal!! But i prefer not to, and i have never addressed anything personal to you before. SubhanAllah.
So again i ask you, Where is the daleel which states there is no harm in living amongst the kuffar??? I have gave plenty of daleel and I'm still waiting.
Salam