+- Forums (https://bb.islamsms.com)
+-- Forum: ENGLISH (https://bb.islamsms.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=5)
+--- Forum: Islam (https://bb.islamsms.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=19)
+--- Thread: War to Free Iraq and Capitalism (/showthread.php?tid=8792)
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - Abohamza30 - 04-30-2004
Bism-Allah Arrahman Arraheem.
(Assalam)
The first few words were used by the G W Bush about this war that it was going to be a war to free Iraqis from the Tyrant Saddam. I come to see the pictures being displayed by the internet about the violations of The American soldiers to Human rights of Iraqis and their willingness to kill by the will to Kill only and revenge from this nation. And I come to Recall the same words that Our Prophet Muhammad(SAAW) always wanted us do incase of War that not to kill a womman, or a child or the old. Not cut a Tree or Kill a bird.... and never enter Churches and places of worhsip without permission. The man with wisdom should use these few words to judge the American capitalism and the Morals of masony they use against humanity. Today all the press talked in disgust about a womman officor who controlled the Prison of Abu Ghraib in Baghdad and the Violations she and her gayed morals that simply refelct the nation,religion and the morals of her society. Ofcourse she was not alone in that prison, and she must have thought much before doing such violation in the right of all humans. Even Tony Blair-The Monkey- Said it was disgusting!!! what about Americans? Those who sit infront of the computers and TV Channels and eat their POP-CORN to be FAT and HAPPY? Dont someone think to which extent they place much of their interest in seeing Moslems being violated in such way? I think deep that most Americans would not bother if this womman and the other soldiers did or didnt this because the Morals of this nation is so deteriorated that it does not make any difference. A nation that believes in INCEST and derives its morals from Masony does not put much value to what Morals do( MORALS ARE NO BIG DEAL) so, I say La Hawla wala Quwwata Illa Billah. May Allah help us!
For we have turned away from Our Quran, then we deserve the nations of INCEST humilate us.
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - Hazam'sBro - 05-02-2004
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Abohamza30 </i><b>Bism-Allah Arrahman Arraheem.</b>As an American, I am ashamed of the occurences that took place with those pictures, and I for one am glad 60 minutes reported them to the American people. Do not for a second believe that what those soldiers did reflects the values that many of us have come to live by. Those soldiers will be punished accordingly by the standards given by our military laws. It does show real ignorance on your part though that you decided to lump all Americans together, degrading what our country has been founded upon. It's like me lumping up all Arabs together because of what Osama Bin Laden did to my countrymen. I do, however, feel that there is a double standard that you have put forth infront of us. Was it wrong what they did? Of course it was. But I have not seen one post from anyone on this board condemning what happend to some of our citizens in Falujah. By the way; that picture you posted is a fake.
(Assalam)
The first few words were used by the G W Bush about this war that it was going to be a war to free Iraqis from the Tyrant Saddam. I come to see the pictures being displayed by the internet about the violations of The American soldiers to Human rights of Iraqis and their willingness to kill by the will to Kill only and revenge from this nation. And I come to Recall the same words that Our Prophet Muhammad(SAAW) always wanted us do incase of War that not to kill a womman, or a child or the old. Not cut a Tree or Kill a bird.... and never enter Churches and places of worhsip without permission. The man with wisdom should use these few words to judge the American capitalism and the Morals of masony they use against humanity. Today all the press talked in disgust about a womman officor who controlled the Prison of Abu Ghraib in Baghdad and the Violations she and her gayed morals that simply refelct the nation,religion and the morals of her society. Ofcourse she was not alone in that prison, and she must have thought much before doing such violation in the right of all humans. Even Tony Blair-The Monkey- Said it was disgusting!!! what about Americans? Those who sit infront of the computers and TV Channels and eat their POP-CORN to be FAT and HAPPY? Dont someone think to which extent they place much of their interest in seeing Moslems being violated in such way? I think deep that most Americans would not bother if this womman and the other soldiers did or didnt this because the Morals of this nation is so deteriorated that it does not make any difference. A nation that believes in INCEST and derives its morals from Masony does not put much value to what Morals do( MORALS ARE NO BIG DEAL) so, I say La Hawla wala Quwwata Illa Billah. May Allah help us!
For we have turned away from Our Quran, then we deserve the nations of INCEST humilate us.
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - Dan - 05-02-2004
Bismillah
As salam alaikum
I feel that it is my duty to remind my brother to not make such lump statements. Remember that you are including muslims in the condemnation. Even though we may be a minority, we are still Americans. Believe me also when I say that Americans are not as a whole endorsing the war in Iraq. I have also yet to hear from an American who endorsed these actions. Trust me. I understand your anger, probably more than you will ever know.
"A nation that believes in INCEST and derives its morals from Masony does not put much value to what Morals do( MORALS ARE NO BIG DEAL) "
I am also unsure about this statement. I do not understand what you are referring to when you talk of incest?
Jazak Allah
As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - Abohamza30 - 05-02-2004
Bismillah Arrahman Arrahim,
Hazam...
May I apologize if this message offended you in any way? and I Assume you think I dont know what Americans Are like.I am sorry you are mistacken if you think so. I did not generalize, but the picture of Americans throghout history does show that they are all alike starting by: Factor Orange in Cuba and Vietnam and Ending by Falluja and the prison of Abu Ghraib. This little minority you are talking about represents a nation,ofcourse not all the nation and what comes out from Iraq now is not enuf to silence you, I think time -If we Both live up to it- is enough to let you know that the Majority of Americans are alike in such behaviour, so I prefer not answering you in All what you have poorly claimed in your message. I just want to let you know I am not GENERALIZING but I do put this point into Perspective and you can prove your point just by showing how polite you are and how objective your rationalization of what is showing up on the press.
For you thought I am congested with hatred to Americans now, id tell you I love some Americans and I know what Americans are. The majority of those who kill for killing are just the rag muffins they collect from US streets and send to Iraq.
May this clarify my point.
Good day to you.
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - AbuNoran - 05-02-2004
السلام على من أتبع الهدى
Thanks 60 Minutes II for airing Iraqi POW photos
by Independent voter Saturday May 01, 2004 at 11:01 PM
60 Minutes II had the courage to show the mistreatment of Iraqi POWs by U.S. soldiers. The photos where censored by The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New York Post and The L.A. Times. The photos were humilating for the Iraqi victims as well as for this country. Why was it necessary to show them?
Humiliation can lead to humbleness which can lead to self-examination, which will hopefully lead to debate.
The Bush administration has slammed the door on debate by accusing anyone questioning their actions in Iraq as unpatriotic. What is patriotism? Love for the government or love for one's country?
And what is a "country?"
A physical place where you live with oceans and farmland and forests. Or ideals, such as those held by the Constitution of the United States?
And if it is both, then isn't patriotism the protection of both?
Laws that ensure clean air, water and the preservation of our natural resources protect America. Actions that exercise and ensure the rights under the Constitution protect the
United States. The informed American is the true patriot. It is the patriotic duty of the press to show the widest view possible so that Americans can make informed decisions about how they wish their public servants to govern.
Thank 60 Minutes II for running the story on the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60II/main3475.shtml
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/29003.php
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/...ain614063.shtml
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - AbuNoran - 05-02-2004
السلام على من أتبع الهدى
30 MORE TORTURE SCANDALS PROBED
http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/tm_object...-name_page.html
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - AbuNoran - 05-02-2004
السلام على من أتبع الهدى
TORTURE AT ABU GHRAIB
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - Hazam'sBro - 05-02-2004
Funny. I always thought that patriotism is the virtue of the viscous.
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - Abohamza30 - 05-03-2004
Bismillah Arra7man Arra7im
(Assalam)
Hazam, I would like to adress something that might Explain why we have nothing called Patriotism in Arab world and in Islamic world as I assume you are not moslem and is American: Obedience, Loyality and worhsip is for Allah(GOD) Subhanaho wataala, then comes to the Prophet and the Leader who fears Allah-God- and knows him right .not any country, land or human or any creature.We Love our God and thus we feel our brothers and countries as they represent the places where we live and not just a Motto of Patriotism. We give our lives,homes,kids and everything for the sake of our God first , his religion and then for our brothers and countries not leaders or whomever. But If you put God before everything, you will learn to love your people, and country Automatically and you;d feel the one who suffer in Keshmir and the one killed in Thailand and will definetly know you have a duty toward them. So, our Patriotric Feelings are Godly and are superior to any other man-made mottoos. We all in the Middle east saw the pictures of the Prisoners come late although everybody smelled it in January and we smelled the number of American soldiers who flee to Syria and North Saudi Arabia and still didnt see the pictures and reports come up, when the elections get due in US you as patriotric will have another perspective I believe. So, again My humble apologies if I offended you or been judgmental, I Know there is goodness in people everywhere.
May Allah show you the truth.
War to Free Iraq and Capitalism - Hazam'sBro - 05-03-2004
I really appreciate that post, and wish you and your countrymen good fortunes in the years to come. May we all find the peace that has been lost in midst of all this violence.