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For JohnDoe - AhmedBahgat - 09-17-2005

Hey mate

you keep ranting about my work that I compose, why not getting constructive and add your 2 cents, or even better why not ignoring it if it annoys that much?, what is strange that you did not even welcome me as a new member, LOL

Well I'm NOT a writer rather an observor like you, but the difference is I document the observations and link it to together. In fact I will be stupid to write it again while it is already written by respected humans. Wel,l here is something that I have written using my own words, hope you can add your 2 cents to it:

By Ahmed Bahgat 

A
ll branches of science prove that there is an amazing system that controls the whole universe, its basics is physic laws that do not change, who created this amazing system that is controlling every single atom in the universe, who designed, created then perfected this amazing system?, is it a god or a mere blind coincident

The atheists and enemy of God due to their failure and due to the veil on their hearts, eyes and ears, say life is a coincident, thinking that coincidence is a mathematical scientific rule which does not need a lot of researches, lately especially within the 20 century a few other scientists using the same concept of the mathematical coincidence to prove to the those ignorant fellow scientists that their concept is flawed and simply can not happen

To explain the mathematical coincidence concept, imagine you have a bag with 100 balls, 99 are black and one ball is white, shake the bag very well to mix the 100 balls, what do you think the chance of pulling the white ball first randomly?, sure it 1 to 100. What the chance then if we want to make 2 tries and in each try we pull the white ball first?, the chance will become 1 to 10000, and if we want to pull the white ball 3 consecutive times first without mistakes, our chance will become 1 to a million, and as we go increase the successful tries of pulling the white ball first, the chance will be almost zero

Another example, if we bring 10 play cards numbered from 1 to 10 then we mix them together and try to pull card no 1, the chance here is 1 to 10 , but if we want to pull card 1 first then card 2 second from another group of ten cards, it will be 1 to 100, and if we want to pull the cards in the right order from card one to card 10 from different groups of ten cards then we will end up with this chance 1 to 10 billion, i.e. 1 to 10,000,000,000, the amazing fact is not the 1 to 10 billion chance, rather the time needed to achieve the required result of pulling 10 cards in the order of 1 to 10 while each card pulled is one card out of ten

The funny point is this, imagine I was successful to pull the 10 cards in order from my first try, I’m 100% sure that everyone will accuse me of cheating, possibly by marking the cards for example

Let’s apply that mathematical coincidence theory “the theory of probability” on a protein cell, the fundamental tissue in any living organs, the result will be shocking:

There are 40,000 atoms in one protein cell, categorised under 5 elements, Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen and Sulphur. We know that all the chemical elements are 92 elements, thus the possibility for these 5 elements to coincidently combine to compose a single protein cell can be calculated and this will lead to the knowledge of the required amount of matter to be in continues random mixing to create the single protein cell, a Swiss mathematician calculated the probability to compose a single protein cell as 1 : 10 to the exponent of 160, it will look like this

1 / 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

this number has no name yet, believe me guys, also the same Swiss mathematician found that the required matter for the random and continuos mixing of the 92 elements will be more than the size of the universe millions of times and the required time to produce this chance of composing a single protein cell is 10 to the exponent of 243 year, and it will look like this:

100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Years

Again this number has no name yet, in fact this is far longer than the age of the universe by billions and billions of years

All this to produce a single protein cell that the microscope hardly sees it

What about the protoplasm that is the smallest kind of life?

And how long it needs to produce the complex life of all living plants?

And how long it needs to produce the more complex life of all living animals?

And finally And how long it needs to produce the most complex life of humans?

The above fact is shocking and is unimaginable by any human because this concept of creation suggested by the enemy of God, is nothing but a joke, and it results to its own failure and firmly concluding that life came to existence by coincidence is an absolute impossible and there will be no escape but to admit that God created everything we see or we do not see yet

It is God Who is the only One created the protein cell, in addition to giving it the secret of life which no scientist managed to crack yet, He is also the only One capable of combining all these protein cells in billions to create the plants, the animals and the humans, Allah the Almighty stated in His guidance message:



“For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, ‘Be’, and it is.”

[The Quran ; 16:40]



إِنَّمَا قَوْلُنَا لِشَيْءٍ إِذَا أَرَدْنَاهُ أَن نَّقُولَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ (40)



“It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. To Him belongs the loftiest similitude (we can think of) in the heavens and the earth: for He is Exalted in Might, full of wisdom.”

[The Quran ; 30:27]

 

وَهُوَ الَّذِي يَبْدَأُ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ يُعِيدُهُ وَهُوَ أَهْوَنُ عَلَيْهِ وَلَهُ الْمَثَلُ الْأَعْلَى فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ (27)



“Allah is the Creator of l things, and He is the Guardian and Disposer of all affairs.”

[The Quran ; 39:62]



اللَّهُ خَالِقُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَهُوَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَكِيلٌ (62)

It is so obvious that this coincidence theory is a collapsible one, in fact all the science discovered in the twenty century was the main reason for the collapse of this ignorant theory of coincidence, if we look at Darwin in his theory of evolution that humans are the descendants of monkeys, we will see that science proved that our protein cell structure is totally different to the monkeys, in fact most historical data shows that humans like us appeared all of a sudden on earth about 8000 to 10,000 years ago, in addition, the required time for the intelligent life to evolve will be far more than the age of the universe, and this alone is enough for Darwin theory to collapse and die

Dr Edward Luther “Biology Professor, Uni of San Francisco” stated: The natural election which represent the mechanical force for evolving can not create any thing, and all it is, a mere way for living organs to stay alive or die, and this is achieved by the reproduction between different types of living organs, however the living organs that has a complex structures must be the result of inheritance laws from their equivalent preceding living organs, this inheritance laws are not random and do not follow the coincidence concept as many atheist wrongly believe, there is no escape from admitting that there is wisdom and full control over all these creatures and the system law that they live within it, it is impossible to say there is a creature without a creator.

Allah the Almighty said in his guidance message to humanity:



(12) “And certainly We created man of an extract of clay,”

(13) “Then We made him a small seed in a firm resting-place,”

(14) “Then We made the seed a clot, then We made the clot a lump of flesh, then We made (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, then We caused it to grow into another creation, so blessed be Allah, the best of the creators.”

(15) “Then after that you will most surely die.”

[The Quran ; 23:12-15]

 

وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ مِن سُلَالَةٍ مِّن طِينٍ (12)

ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ (13)

ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ (14)

ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ لَمَيِّتُونَ (15)

Allah the Almighty also said:



(6) “This is the Knower of the unseen and the seen, the Mighty the Merciful,”

(7) “Who made good everything that He has created, and He began the creation of man from dust.”

(8)”Then He made his progeny of an extract, of water held in light estimation.”

(9)”Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.”

[The Quran ; 32:6-9]

 

ذَلِكَ عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ الْعَزِيزُ الرَّحِيمُ (6)

الَّذِي أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقَهُ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الْإِنسَانِ مِن طِينٍ (7)

ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِن سُلَالَةٍ مِّن مَّاء مَّهِينٍ (8)

ثُمَّ سَوَّاهُ وَنَفَخَ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِهِ وَجَعَلَ لَكُمُ السَّمْعَ وَالْأَبْصَارَ وَالْأَفْئِدَةَ قَلِيلًا مَّا تَشْكُرُونَ (9)

If we look into the human body we will see plenty of clear evidences and amazing systems that conclude humans can not be the creation of coincidence, rather the invention of a supreme very intelligent being that is capable of planning, designing and implementing at once, this being must be God, for example:

1) The cells of our human bodies always in divide for the human body to grow or to compensate for the dead cells expect the nerve cells, as if the nerve cells starts to divide, a horrific consequence will happen, we will loose our memory

2) If we look at the muscles in the human body we will find that the strongest muscle is the uterus muscle in women, this is needed to help delivering the baby out, next will be the heart muscle, the organ that is working hard day and night to circulate the blood all over the body in a path that will circulate the whole earth if put the blood veins connected in serious and for about 100 years the heart continue working restless, sure we need the muscle heart to be strong

3) The living cell has a very strange matter called protoplasm, inside it there are very minute bodies that carry all the inheritance code called chromosomes, the chromosomes number has a specific total in all living plants and living animals, in humans chromosomes are 46 chromosomes, and when our cells start to divide from one cell to two cells then to four cells, every new cell must have these 46 chromosomes, if it does not then the human will be something else other than human, however there are cells in the human body that only have 23 chromosomes and when it divides the new cells will have 23 chromosomes, it will make sense to know that these cells are the cells within the sperms and eggs, then when a sperm combine an egg to produce a new human life the chromosomes numbers will be balanced back to 46 and the new life is created

4) It is known when we have an injury we start bleeding, however soon after the blood will start becoming thicker and thicker until it turns to solid status and blocks further bleeding, if this does not happen, the human will bleed to death,

5) The human stomach represent a self contained very advanced chemical laboratory, which automatically produce chemical substances in more quantities than any human laboratory ever produced, the stomach automatically start analysing the entering food, then it starts classifying the different food and grouping it in different groups , then breaks it down and start to supply it to every human cell from the billions of cells and according to their needs, i.e. what bones, nails, muscles, hair, eyes, …etc need, the stomach also has a built in system to counter bacteria, rotten food and attacking viruses, what a system that is for just the stomach!

6) The human ear has very unique properties that left scientist amazed, its complexity in analysing the received frequencies accurately then sending it as an electric current via the nerves to a specific spot in the human brain that makes humans hear from the quietest sounds to the most noisiest sounds, but the amazing fact is this, the human ear does not respond to frequencies outside the range 20 to 20,000 frequency/second, this is actually very important for us to enjoy quietness otherwise we will go nuts hearing every frequency outside this range set by God, not set by coincident

7) The human eye is also very complicated, it has a crystallin lens that reflect an image on the retina using the eye muscles, the light pass through a small opening in the front of the eye called cornea, and between the cornea and the crystalline lens sits the Iris which has a small opening, the Iris can be of different colour from a human to another, the small opening in the Iris can narrow or widen according to the light strength, if the light is very bright the Iris opening will narrow to prevent damage to the Retina and vice verse. The Retina where the image is reflected is composed from few layers, the inner layer is composed from cones and cylinders shape tiny bodies that can be 125 million cylinders and 7 million cones where all of these bodies are perfectly and symmetrically arranged within the layer, scientists believe that the cylinder shape bodies are sensitive to the white colour, while the cone shape bodies are grouped in three groups that can sense red, green or blue each., the eye also does not respond to wave lengths outside a specific range similar to the ear

If I keep writing about the impossibly coincident facts about the human body that yet the scientist and doctors know very little about it, I will run out of papers and patience, let me say this, if it was a probability of 1 to 10 billion to withdrew 10 cards in a the order of 1 to 10, how will the probability be for the human body to coordinate all these systems together while evolving its self?

And when looking at the animals and the plants kingdoms we will discover zillions of facts that can not be coincident, however we have no room here for this discussion, but it is just another impossibility for the same coincident to happen to all these vast varieties of animals and plants in regard to the natural election concept, and regarding the internal and external composite of their matter and their different organs that works in amazing harmony and perfect cooperation for life to continue between all living things.

It is so ridiculous to believe that a pile of bricks, steel, timber, glass and cement when bombed randomly, that pile will become a beautiful house, a creator has to design then create the house from these elements, i.e. building the house can not happen coincidently

Despite scientists have discovered many facts about the human body and its elements, science never discovered the secret of life, the soul is the secret of life and is one of the great secrets in the universe, we can feel it but we do not know what it is, despite the matter existing in our bodies, the soul is totally different thing that we do not know but we know that it the soul will leave the body one day, Allah has told us about the soul in his Quran:



“And they ask you about the soul. Say: The soul is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little”

[The Quran ; 17:85]



وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُم مِّن الْعِلْمِ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً (85)

Surly the theory of coincidence failed to explain the secret of life exactly as the whole science discoveries so far failed to do the same, this lead to, the most respected scientist conceding the existing of our God, God has challenged those people who deny His existence or worship another self made gods to even try to create a fly while the fly that the real God created annoy them the least:



(73)“O people! a parable is set forth, therefore listen to it: surely those whom you call upon besides Allah cannot create fly, though they should all gather for it, and should the fly snatch away anything from them, they could not take it back from i weak are the invoker and the invoked”

(74)” They have not estimated Allah with the estimation that is due to Him; most surely Allah is Strong, Mighty.”

[The Quran ; 22:73-74]



يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ لَن يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَابًا وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ وَإِن يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئًا لَّا يَسْتَنقِذُوهُ مِنْهُ ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ (73)

مَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَقَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ (74)

Indeed life with all its variety on planet earth was created for a divine reason , planet earth itself was very well prepared to suit the existence of life, as many of the essential needs for life was forced upon earth for it to exit, God Almighty stated:



(20) “On the earth are signs for those of assured Faith,”

(21) “As also in your own selves: Will ye not then see?”

[The Quran ; 51:20-21]



وَفِي الْأَرْضِ آيَاتٌ لِّلْمُوقِنِينَ (20)

وَفِي أَنفُسِكُمْ أَفَلَا تُبْصِرُونَ (21)

Thanks for reading

For JohnDoe - Universist - 09-18-2005

You can write a thousand lines of ignorance and in the end all that can be surmised is the profound nature of your ignorance. While you may believe this stack of drivel supports your belief in God, do not make the mistake that what you write is scientifically accurate in any way.

Science cannot and will never prove faith. And in turn faith has no place in science. Your amatuer hour tower of coincident proves nothing. I am sure you think it does. And if I tought for even one minute it would make a difference I could easily refute every paragraph of your ignorant rant. But it is a waste of time to wrestle a .... You only get dirty and the ... likes it.

Your proof is a LIE. And in your religion what is done to liars?

Go take a science class. Get a class on mathematics. Take time to learn about the universe without the rose colored glasses of your faith. And then you will have true enlightment.

But I know your type. The louder you scream the righter you are. Your idea of scientific understanding is based on how many people stand around you nodding thier heads in agreement with your drivel. If you actually had to prove anything you say, you just turn to your book and find a justification for murdering kafir. And then when no one is there to oppose your ignorance, you are truly "right".

Universist

For JohnDoe - AhmedBahgat - 09-18-2005

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you are nothing but a time waster, at least I exposed you [img]style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]

For JohnDoe - AhmedBahgat - 09-18-2005

Quote:You can write a thousand lines of ignorance and in the end all that can be surmised is the profound nature of your ignorance. While you may believe this stack of drivel supports your belief in God, do not make the mistake that what you write is scientifically accurate in any way.
Science cannot and will never prove faith. And in turn faith has no place in science. Your amatuer hour tower of coincident proves nothing. I am sure you think it does. And if I tought for even one minute it would make a difference I could easily refute every paragraph of your ignorant rant. But it is a waste of time to wrestle a pig. You only get dirty and the pig likes it.

Your proof is a LIE. And in your religion what is done to liars?

Go take a science class. Get a class on mathematics. Take time to learn about the universe without the rose colored glasses of your faith. And then you will have true enlightment.

But I know your type. The louder you scream the righter you are. Your idea of scientific understanding is based on how many people stand around you nodding thier heads in agreement with your drivel. If you actually had to prove anything you say, you just turn to your book and find a justification for murdering kafir. And then when no one is there to oppose your ignorance, you are truly "right".

Universist

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thank you for nothing

another arrogant ignorant infidel

For JohnDoe - AhmedBahgat - 09-18-2005

ok mate

I love ya

For JohnDoe - Suhail - 09-19-2005

Quote:Ahmed, where is the love Dude ? (or Dudette) I'm just not feeling it bro'.
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Quote:ok mate
I love ya

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GUYS Guys ........come on dont embarass ur selves in public

For JohnDoe - Muslimah - 09-20-2005

Bismillah

Universist, if u think that u can continue adopting such a childish attitude on the board calling members, Muslims or non Muslims names, will be accepted then u r absolutely wrong.

If u have a better manner to conduct a discussion on a public board then that is fine with us, other wise u r out of here.

Today I will give u the chance to read this post, plus your warning is going to be raised.

For JohnDoe - Suhail - 09-20-2005

yeah about that warning thing....why have i got a warning meter and the rest dont ? did i do summat wrong ? [img]style_emoticons/default/sad.gif[/img]

For JohnDoe - Alfredo - 09-21-2005

Quote:“For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, ‘Be’, and it is.”
[The Quran ; 16:40]

Islam is in direct disagreement with evolution with this statement. It is an insult to God, to have organisms develp over billions over years instead of it just "being"

For JohnDoe - Muslimah - 09-21-2005

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Bismillah

as salam alykom Suhail

Everyone has this warning meter dont worry, but u only see yours.

any way let us wait and see Universist when he comes back from the sin bin as John calls it. He is been given a break for 7 days, hope he cools down and grows up to the discussion. Man he sure represents universism well.

Rather than doing this show he could have just made a reply to Ahmed's post and that is it.