Salam Alaikum sis Muslimah. I do know you still ignore me and you just dont like me. I know. But i want put a islamic internet dialogue on islam thread. Can I send to you first and with your permission i want put it...

Salam Alaikum. Any1 know Mim Keller? Who is he?


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Salam Alaikum. When is eid now? 20.jannuar or 21.Jannuar ?

Find out by some quotes, as follows:


"It is really time to give up once and for all the legend according to which the Jews were obliged during the European middle ages, and above all 'since the Crusades,' to devote themselves to usury because all others professions were closed to them. The 2000 year old history of Jewish usury previous to the Middle ages suffices to indicate the falseness of this historic conclusion. But even in that which concerns the Middle Ages and modern times the statements of official historiography are far from agreeing with the reality of the facts. It is not true that all careers in general were closed to the Jews during the middle ages and modern times, but they preferred to apply themselves to the lending of money on security. This is what Bucher has proved for the town of Frankfort - on-the-Maine, and it is easy to prove it for many other towns and other countries. Here is irrefutable proof of the natural tendencies of the Jews for the trade of money-lenders; in the Middle ages and later we particularly see governments striving to direct the Jews towards other careers without succeeding." (The Secret Powers Behind Revolution, by Vicomte Leon De Poncins)


"It may seem amazing to some readers, but it is not the less a fact that a considerable number of delegates to the Peace Conference at Versailles believed that the real influences behind the Anglo-Saxon people were Jews...The formula into which this policy was thrown by the members of the conference, whose countries it affected, and who regarded it as fatal to the peace of Eastern Europe ends thus: Henceforth the world will be governed by the Anglo-Saxon peoples, who, in turn, are swayed by their Jewish elements." (Dr. E.J. Dillion, The inside Story of the Peace Conference)


"Israel controls the Senate...around 80 percent are completely in support of Israel; anything Israel wants. Jewish influence in the House of Representatives is even greater." (They Dare to Speak Out, Paul Findley)


"I know I don't have to say this, but in bringing everybody under the Zionist banner we never forget that our goals are the safety and security of the state of Israel foremost. Our goal will be realized in Yiddishkeit, in a Jewish life being lived every place in the world and our goals will have to be realized, not merely by what we impel others to do. And here in this country it means frequently working through the umbrella of the President's Conference [of Jewish organizations], or it might be working in unison with other groups that feel as we do. But that, too, is part of what we think Zionism means and what our challenge is." (Rabbi Israel Miller, The American Jewish Examiner, March 5, 1970).


NO WONDER MUSLIMS ARE AT THE RECEIVING END

The founding fathers of the USA, though they sometimes professed otherwise, sensed that they were guided by a divine purpose (Freemasonry).


Thomas Jefferson argued that the Great Seal of the United States should depict the Israelites, “led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night”.


George Washington claimed, in his inaugural address, that every step towards independence was “distinguished by some token of providential agency”.


Thus the American identity was part of a process of Masonic evil of “The Protocols”.


The Catholic Church claimed that it had supplanted the Jews as the elect, as the Jews had been repudiated by God.


The English Protestants accused the Catholics of breaking faith, and claimed that now “they” had become the beloved of God.


The American revolutionaries believed that the English, in turn, had broken their covenant: the Americans had now become the chosen people, with a divine duty to deliver the world to God’s dominion. Just recently, Six weeks ago, George Bush showed that this belief persists, when he recalled a remark of Woodrow Wilson’s. “America,” he quoted, “has a spiritual energy in her, which no other nation can contribute to the liberation of mankind.”


Gradually this notion of election has been conflated with another, still more dangerous idea. It is not just that the Americans are God’s chosen people; America itself is now perceived as a divine project. In his farewell presidential address, Ronald Reagan spoke of his country as a “shining city on a hill”, a reference to the Sermon on the Mount.7 But what Jesus (as) was describing was not a temporal Jerusalem, but the kingdom of heaven. Not only, in Reagan’s account, was God’s kingdom to be found in the United States of America, but the kingdom of hell could also now be located on earth: the “evil empire” of the Soviet Union, against which His holy warriors (Afghan Mujahideen) were pitched.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...-home-headlines



COLUMN ONE


<b>Islam's Claim on Spain</b>


In Granada, once the center of a rich Muslim culture, adherents are trying to reassert their historic role amid a climate of suspicion.


<i>By Tracy Wilkinson</i>


Times Staff Writer


January 18, 2005


GRANADA, Spain — Across a valley of fragrant cedars and orange trees, worshipers at the pristine Great Mosque of Granada look out at the Alhambra, the 700-year-old citadel and monument to the heyday of Islamic glory.


Granada's Muslims chose the hilltop location precisely with the view, and its unmistakable symbolism, in mind.


It took them more than 20 years to build the mosque, the first erected here in half a millennium, after they conquered the objections of city leaders and agreed, ultimately, to keep the minaret shorter than the steeple on the Catholic Iglesia de San Nicolas next door.


Cloistered nuns on the other side of the mosque added a few feet to the wall enclosing their convent, as if to say they wanted neither to be seen nor to see.


Many of Spain's Muslims long for an Islamic revival to reclaim their legendary history, and inaugurating the Great Mosque last year was the most visible gesture. But horrific bombings by Muslim extremists that killed nearly 200 people in Madrid on March 11 have forced Spain's Muslims and non-Muslims to reassess their relationship, and turned historical assumptions on their head.


"We are a people trying to return to our roots," said Anwar Gonzalez, 34, a Granada native who converted to Islam 17 years ago. "But it's a bad time to be a Muslim."


Spain has a long, rich and complex history interwoven with the Muslim and Arab world, from its position as the center of Islamic Europe in the last millennium to today's confrontation with a vast influx of Muslim immigrants.


For more than seven centuries of Moorish rule, "Al Andalus," or Andalusia, was governed by Muslim caliphs who oversaw a splendid flourishing of art, architecture and learning that ended when Granada fell to Christian monarchs Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand in 1492.


Muslims were expelled or exterminated in the Inquisition that followed, but the legacy of the Moors is seen throughout Andalusia, Spain's southern tier, in its language, palaces like the Alhambra, and food.


Unfortunately for Spain's Muslims, the militants who swear loyalty to Osama bin Laden are history buffs too. In claiming responsibility for the March bombings, they cited the loss of "Al Andalus" as motivation.


"We will continue our jihad until martyrdom in the land of Tarik Ben Ziyad," they said in a communique issued after the massacre, alluding to the Moorish warrior and original Islamic conqueror of the Iberian peninsula.


Spain today, like most of Europe, is struggling with ways to accommodate its fast-growing Muslim community while keeping tabs on those who might turn to radical violence.


Converts like Gonzalez are a small percentage of the nearly 1 million Muslims believed to be living in Spain — a number that has probably doubled in the last decade. The vast majority of the Muslims are immigrants — mostly from Morocco, frequently on the margins of society and often at odds with native-born Muslims. Most of the suspects arrested in the March attacks that tore apart commuter trains in the morning rush hour were Moroccan.


A relatively homogenous society ever since the 15th century expulsions, Spain has far fewer Muslims than France or Germany. Yet only in Spain is the debate fraught with such mythology and deep-rooted cultural echoes.


Spaniards sometimes refer to Arabs, derogatorily, as Moors. And it doesn't help that the late dictator Francisco Franco rose to power on the back of Moroccan troops whom he used to launch the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s.


In Granada, the old Moorish hamlet of Albaicin, now a gentrified neighborhood of red-tile roofs and white-washed villas, spills down the hill from the Great Mosque. It could almost pass for a town on the West Bank or in Morocco, if perhaps a little more picturesque.


The narrow, winding streets are full of teashops, butchers and bakeries selling baklava and kenafa, a fresh soft cheese. Locals greet each other with "As-Salaam Alaikum," and, in October, signs in stores wished a "Feliz Ramadan" to passersby.


At the University of Granada, it is not uncommon to see a woman in a hijab, the Muslim head scarf. In the pharmacology school, about 40% of the 2,100-member student body is from Arab or Muslim countries, according to the student association.


Moroccan student Amal Benyaich, a 20-year-old sophomore, said she generally feels at home in Granada but has occasionally endured insults shouted in public, especially after the bombings.


"How can your people do this?" someone demanded of her.


"Am I a terrorist?" she responded.


"I want them to understand what Islam is," said Benyaich, wearing a white hijab, long skirt and velvety red sweatshirt. "Terrorism is not a specific religion."


Spain is confronting the fact that a growing number of Muslim immigrants, who once entered the country only to move on, or came to work and then returned to their home country, have now become a permanent fixture. Spain's low birth rate has widened the need for immigrant labor, and an underground network has made it easier for foreign workers to stay.


"Before, Muslims were guests who would leave. Today Islam is among us," said Riay Tatari Bakri, the Syrian-born imam at Madrid's Abu Bakr mosque, one of the places of worship attended by the bombing suspects.


For the Socialist government of Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the challenge is how to integrate these residents.


Elected three days after the bombings, the government has cast itself in the role of reconciling the West with Islam, and Zapatero, in a major speech to the United Nations, advocated an "alliance of civilizations" to prevent escalating conflict.


The prime minister's government is negotiating with two major Spanish Islamic organizations in an attempt to integrate Muslims into mainstream society as a way to prevent radicalization and reduce the alienation that feeds extremism and violence.


"Marginalization is a very dangerous thing," Luis Lopez Guerra, the senior Justice Ministry official in charge of religious affairs, said in an interview in Madrid.


"If you have people poor and without work, you run the risk of them feeling alone and discriminated against, alienated from the values of the rest of society," Lopez Guerra said. "Police measures alone can't solve this."


And so, in a country where the Roman Catholic Church wields enormous power, the government has established a $4-million fund for three "minority" religions — Islam, Judaism and Protestantism — and scrapped a previous administration's plans to make the Catholic curriculum mandatory in public schools.


Among other, controversial recommendations, the government wants to require all mosques to register with the state. Also under discussion is a plan to license imams, supported by several Muslim groups who complain that too many clerics are foreigners who are unable to speak Spanish, and that Saudi Arabia wields excessive influence over Spain's mosques.


The tension between Spain's non-Muslims and Muslims, both immigrant and native-born, remains raw. Although incidents of overt retaliation against Muslims are rare, many Muslims feel they are, in the words of Gonzalez, the convert, in the eye of the hurricane.


Like the society around them, Muslims in Spain are torn over questions of assimilation versus cultural identity. The community is, moreover, fractured along generational and ideological lines. Then there are the differences between immigrants and native-born Muslims, most of whom are converts.


In Granada, the onetime seat of Moorish rule, where many Muslims identify themselves as Andalusians first, then as Spaniards, a number of native-born Muslims say they feel a duty to present what they describe as the moderate face of their religion and to promote a form of "European Islam" that is tolerant and democratic.


"That's our struggle: to achieve a moderate balance against those extremists who are incapable of living in this society as Muslims," said Abdelkarim Carrasco, a real estate broker and president of the Federation of Spanish Islamic Entities, one of two major Spanish Islamic organizations negotiating with the Zapatero government.


Carrasco, 56, converted to Islam when he was 30 and moved to Granada from Seville two years later.


The Andalusian cities of Granada, Seville and Cordoba saw a wave of Islamic conversions in the 1960s and '70s spearheaded by the Sufi Murabitun sect led by Ian Dallas, a controversial Scotsman, and joined by hippies in search of spiritual meaning. A later conversion movement evolved, independent of the influence of the Murabitun, which has been attacked as anti-Semitic.


Carrasco, whose passport retains his given name of Antonio, not Abdelkarim, said Spain's Islamic past has made it more difficult, not easier, for contemporary Spain to accept Muslim citizens.


"It is easier to be a Muslim in Munich than in Granada," he said. "In Germany it's still something colder, new and distant. Here it is too close. You scratch the surface of a Spaniard, and the other [identity] comes out."


At the Great Mosque, built with money from the governments of Morocco and the United Arab Emirates, exquisite cobalt blue and teal green tiles, patterned after those found in the Alhambra, frame the ablution fountains. Silk carpets and teak doors decorate the compact house of worship, which is already attracting tourists.


Mosque member Mohammed Jairudin, 64, a silver-haired actor who converted to Islam 21 years ago, told of the legal hurdles and neighborhood resistance overcome to finally erect the mosque. Muslims, he said, have to live within the existing order because it is God's will.


"You are part of the system, or you leave," he said, seated in the mosque's garden of rosebushes and jasmine, overlooking that breathtaking view that sweeps northward to the Sierra Nevada. "I pay my taxes. I go to the mosque. No one bothers me. I do things my way, but respecting where I am."


It is not clear, however, that the group behind the mosque, followers of the Murabitun movement, shares that moderate sentiment. The president of the mosque foundation, Malik Ruiz, calls himself the Emir of Spain and has said Granada will return to its "natural origin" — Islam — after a 500-year interruption.


Mosque supporters say they are not attempting to launch the reconquest of Al Andalus but want to show that Islam is not an alien faith.


"This country," Jairudin said, "has a debt to its Muslims: to recognize history."

Islamic connection with the Native Americans goes beyond the ‘Accident discovery’ of Americana by Christopher Columbus in early sixteenth century.


In order to understand the present-day ‘Crucification’ of Islam here in America, you have to look at the history of slavery. Islam came here on the slave ships. Even though the practice of Islam was banned amongst the slaves of the antebellum south, elements of it remained as a part of our oral tradition.


Out of these roots, early movements developed such as the Moorish Science Temple in the 1920s, founded by Drew Ali. His message of dignity and economic independence had strong appeal to depression-era Afro-Americans. These teachings, along with those of Black-nationalist Marcus Garvey, were strong influences on the next generation of Afro-American Muslims.


Imam Al-Amin’s involvement with Islam, like many African American Muslims of his generation, started in the Nation of Islam under its charismatic founder, Elijah Muhammad. The doctrine of the Nation was well known for its racial component. Whites were regarded as genetic mutants not only devoid of color, but also of morals.


It was this "White Devil" doctrine that shocked and terrified America, despite the fact that there were many other positive elements to their movement. This reverse psychology was a means to shake Afro-Americans out of their own internalized oppression. Imam Al-Amin explains, "Whites had put themselves up on a pedestal, practically attributing themselves a divine status and a lot of us had bought into that, consciously and subconsciously. We had to hear a wake up call out of that nightmare."


By the time of Elijah Muhammad’s death in 1975, the Nation of Islam had established over 76 temples nationwide with an estimated 100,000 members. Leadership of the Nation was ceremoniously passed on to Elijah’s son, Warith Deen Mohammed, by election. Almost immediately W.D. Mohammed began to dismantle the Nation as he started to lead the members into the practice of Sunni Islam paving the way for other top followers like Malcolm X, and Muhammad Ali.


Today, Afro-Americans comprise over 40 percent of the estimated 8-10 million Muslims in America today (the largest minority). This move towards true Islamic teachings, however, was not entirely accepted by all members. By the early 1980’s, the then disgruntled and now controversial Louis Farrakhan reorganized the Nation of Islam and brought this contingent back to the teachings of Elijah Muhammad. The two camps held a long-standing animosity for each other, but, as leaders of both factions will point out, not a drop of blood was spilled between them in the years of this separation. Disagreement was kept on the rhetorical and theological level and both were still focused on the common goal of strengthening the Afro-American community.

“Sunday 30 January will be the day when myth and reality come together with - I fear - an all too literal bang. The magic date upon which Iraq is supposed to transform itself into a democracy will no doubt be greeted as another milestone in America's adventure and, I suspect, another "great day for Iraq" by Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara. He, of course, doesn't have to be blown up in the polling stations or torn to pieces by suicide bombers on the way home. The "martyrs of democracy", as I am sure the dead will be feted, will be those Iraqis who have decided to go along with an election so physically dangerous that the international observers will be ‘observing’ the poll from Amman. – Robert Fisk”


However, to the vast Iraqi majority - it can seem as if the poll is being held more for the benefit of foreign political agendas - not least those of Tony Blair and George Bush, but for Israel - than for the well-being of innocent Iraqis.

A dominant segment of Western society has joined the Jewish financial elite in embracing Freemasonry, a satanic philosophy that represents a death wish for civilization. They imagine somehow they will profit from the carnage and suffering caused by their "New World Order."


Incredible, bizarre and depressing as it sounds, Lina writes that 300 mainly Jewish banking families have used Freemasonry as an instrument to subvert, control and degrade the Western world.


Based on the archives of the powerful French Grand Orient Lodge, captured in June 1940 and later made public by the Russians, the author of book “Architects of Deception”, Jyri Lina details how Freemasonry has conspired for world domination and orchestrated all major revolutions and wars in the modern era.


Masons, often Jewish, are responsible for communism, Zionism, socialism, liberalism, and feminism. They love powerful government (dictatorship, kings, and Fascist rulers), because it is the ultimate monopoly. "World government" (The Protocols of the Elders of Zion) is the final trophy. This is the vision behind September 11 and the "War on Terror."

"We should come to know our Shadow or else there is a strong tendency to project our Shadow upon others." (Carl Jung)


"The West misunderstands Islam largely because we’ve got a deep cultural prejudice that is as deeply ingrained as our anti-Semitism, which developed alongside it from about the time of the Crusades. We’ve got into the habit of projecting our own shortcomings onto Islam, just as we did upon the Jews." (Karen Armstrong)


Many other things Islam is blamed by the non-Muslims – come from their own ‘dark past’. For example, in today’s lexicon of the dreaded Veil and fanatical woman-hating, it may be hard to remember a time when Islam represented wanton sensuality and licentiousness. "Today when many people in the West are trying to shed the sexual repressions of their Christian past, we say that Islam is a sexually repressed religion…..At a time in the Middle Ages when Europe was extremely hierarchical, we blamed Islam for giving too much power to menials like slaves and women. Today we’ve thrown that off and we blame Islam for being oppressive to women. Again, we’ve reversed the old stereotype, not because we’ve found out anything about Islam necessarily, but because we’ve got into a cultural habit of making Islam the opposite of us." Armstrong points out.


As a matter of fact, western are ‘born-in’ racial profiling and religious bigotry. For example, Why weren’t white men profiled after the Oklahoma bombing or during the Unabomber scare? Or why Catholicism was racialized and made a big issue in the election of John F. Kennedy?


Sounds crazy, eh? Well, racism and bigotry don’t have much to do with sanity."