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| Posted by Muslimah - 12-16-2008, 09:09 AM |
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Bismillah Sobhan Allah reepi, you have a way that proves one time after the other your lack of real understading, i m not sure if this is intentional or what. But you seem to try and twist words, or meanings, rather than trying to learn and understand the real message of any post. Is this a way of constructive dialogue in your opinion?? Constructive dialogue can be really beneficial for both sides invovled regardless of the sustained differences, if you know what I mean. But on the board level, I m sure you serve as a very good example for other silent readers and guest of how some, again I stress, some Christians are unable to communicate. |
| Posted by abdulwalee - 03-15-2007, 04:20 PM |
Quote:> This Fitnah has even reached the point that some people would <b>In the Name Of Allah may The prayers and Peace be upon the Last Messenger Muhammad and his family and Companions and all those who follow them until the last day... </b> In Our religion Islam, There is a principle called al-Wala wal Bara(Loving and Enmity for god's sake) and this principle has priciples. This Hating is Applied regarding- Kufr(disbelief) Polytheism, Shirk, and Innovation( in The religion) and the people who adhere to these reprehensible acts in all their forms. You must Understands that hating these acts and the people who do them does not mean Muslims are to deal unjustly with them or oppress anyone. But yes hating what Allah hates is defined in His last revelation. I'm NOT a humanist, for this is a religion in itself. principle Al-walaa wal-Baraa is fixed. in Islam. So the oposite of enmity is loving. We as Muslims are not allowed to love Christians.all the nations were upon monotheism until The devil tricked some to worship statues. So Allah sent prophets to every nation...To return them to the truth. The nation Jesus came to were the Banee Israel, NOT to the Non-Jews. Later Paul of Tarsus deviated from the true teachings of The Massiah(Jesus) and went to the Gentiles and thus false principles entered into the true religion Jesus taught. So The Qur'an was sent to get all of Mankind back to the truth... That There is No Deity worthy of worship Except Allah.So in a nut shell this is what hppened... <b>Modern day Christians now believe in matters That Jusas Never taught.</b> such as... 1 They say Allah(God) became a man and died(Juses) on a cross, for the sins of the rest of mankind.. 2Christians believe that due to the sin of Adam, (The father of humanbeings) every person has Inheirted His sin. 3 They make Shirk By giving Allah human qualities. and they put ingraven images in their places of worship. and worship these images 4. They take their preist and so-called saints as Gods(by obeying them in that which Allah didn't legislate And there are more matters which are hated By Allah, thus He says He forgives all sins except Polothesim(Shirk) from the Christian Nation and anyone else. So hating means Not Loving. nor are we to take them as friends and companions etc. But treating any person from the Human family with respect is obligatory. And Kind treatment is obligtory on the Islamic nation. so I hate the beliefs with a hatred which has rules regarding It's people. Because I have Christian family members. But I love them with the natrual Love . But I hate their Kufr(disbelief) You Understand? May Allah Guide you to Islam |
| Posted by reepicheep - 03-15-2007, 03:10 PM |
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> This Fitnah has even reached the point that some people would > even hate their brother in the religion more than he hates the > major sinner or the one who is openly rebellious and > transgresses the limits set by Allaah, and Allaah's refuge is sought. Interesting. You seem to be saying that there are times when Muslims are required to hate their fellow humans. Can you provide us with a list of the classifications of people you hate? For example, do you hate all Christians, or just some Christians? And if you hate only some Christians, what are the characteristics of those Christians that make you hate them? Do you hate all Shiite muslims, or only some Shiite muslims? |
| Posted by abdulwalee - 03-15-2007, 12:25 PM |
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<b>The Mathhab of Imaam Ahmad (</b>May Allah have mercy on him) was such that if the Salaf differed on a particular issue and there was no conclusive, solid or definite text to support it, then he considered all positions regarded by the Salaf therein to be valid and applicable, and this was due to the fact that Imaam Ahmad highly regarded, respected and revered the statements of the Sahabah. No doubt this opinion of Imaam Ahmad is more preferable and more likely to bring about unification between the Muslims. For from amongst the people are those who take these issues in which the ‘Ulamaa differ, issues which are legislatively prone to discrepancy and there is nothing inappropriate about differing in them as they are issues which the legislation of Islam has allowed such differing to take place, but they take these issues and use them as a means to cause discord and separation amongst the Muslims. Rather you find one of them would go as far as to say that his brother is astray in relation to an issue that he himself may actually be the one who is astray!! This is an affliction during these times that we live in, along with the fact that there is a lot of good going on as well as cooperation amongst the brothers and a sense of Islamic awareness and awakening. What they are doing is likely to destroy this awakening. Every time a brother from amongst us opposes another in an issue which there is actually no definite or solid text but one follows the Ijtihaad of the ‘Ulamaa he warns against his brother, makes imprudent statements, accusations and speaks out against him due to the position he has taken which opposes his opinion!! This is what those who have an agenda against Islam and against this Islamic awakening take pleasure in, and they feel as though they don't have to exert any effort in destroying Islam because they have from amongst the Muslims those who will do it for them!! May Allah place discord between them! This Fitnah has even reached the point that some people would even hate their brother in the religion more than he hates the major sinner or the one who is openly rebellious and transgresses the limits set by Allaah, and Allaah's refuge is sought. There is no doubt that this type of behavior damages this Ummah and it is imperative for the students of knowledge to understand that this is detrimental and disappointing to all of us. I will ask you: Did any revelation come to you from Allaah informing you that the position which you chose is correct? If no revelation came to him to inform him of this, then how is it that he can be so convinced that his position is the correct position?! He doesn't know, perhaps his brother who opposed him and took a different position could be the one who is actually correct and he himself is the one who is astray!! And most of the time this is the case. Revelation has ceased during these times but the Qur'an and the Sunnah are available right here in front of us, and if in fact the matter is one where it is appropriate for the student to use his Ijtihad then we should pardon and excuse one another in relation to his Ijtihad. There is no problem with them debating the issue amongst themselves in a manner appropriate for students of knowledge, but I would prefer that they do so privately due to the fact that if they do so publicly then those on the outside looking in may carry something in their chests which may not actually be in the chests of the two directly involved, and perhaps they may come to an agreement amongst themselves but others may not want it to end in that manner so they make it impossible for the two to agree and end on good terms because of personal agendas they may have within themselves. And they allow the Shaytaan to sow discord between them and we remain as we started steeped in affliction and Fitnah. So may Allaah reward Imaam Ahmad for this particular Minhaj and for setting a standard for us to follow and emulate which is: <b>if there is no definite and convincing evidence from the Qur'an, the Sunnah and the Ijmaa'a (i.e. consensus) amongst the Sahabah in a particular matter, which is initially appropriate for one to follow what he deems to be most correct, then all positions of the ‘Ulamaa involved are valid and it is permissible for the individual to follow what he deems closest to the truth from them, and no one should find fault with the position of the other.</b> |